Bill Johnson’s Christology: A New Age Christ?, part IIIb
April 27, 2012 373 Comments
[See also: Part I, The Christ Anointing and the Antichrist Spirit, Part II, Part IIIa and Part IV (Conclusion).]
1In the beginning was the Word [Logos.]
and the Word [Logos] was with God
and the Word [Logos] was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things came into being by Him,
and apart from Him
nothing came into being
that has come into being
14And the Word [Logos] became flesh,
and dwelt among us,
and we beheld His glory,
glory as of the only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.
[John 1:1-3,14 NASB]
The prologue to the Gospel of John is among the most beautiful passages in all of Scripture. It is also one of the most theologically brilliant. Not only does John assert that the Logos was WITH God in the creation account of Genesis by paralleling the first few verses with those that begin the canon of Scripture, John states the Logos WAS God. He is illustrating the plurality of the Godhead, i.e. that God is monotheistic yet more than one ‘Person’ (John would describe the Person of the Holy Spirit later in 14:15-16:15). The Gospel writer makes it clear that God the Word/Logos became flesh, yet He was fully God in the flesh and not ‘merely’ human.
However, other groups claimed that John had different thoughts in mind for the Logos. Some Gnostics in the 2nd century (and later) claimed John’s Gospel has a dualistic Gnostic backdrop with his contrasts of light and darkness (v 1:5) and other dichotomies, and they interpreted John’s Christology as congruent with Gnostic redeemer myths117 (redemption through autosoterism, or self-salvation).
Some have claimed Hellenistic (ancient Greek) influence. According to NT scholar Craig Keener, Heraclitus, a Greek philosopher of the 6th century BC, “reportedly spoke of ‘Thought’ as guiding and ordering the universe” and his work refers to the Logos as being “eternal, omnipresent, the divine cause”.118 The Stoics took this further as Zeno “identified Socrates’ logos, or rational principle, with that of Heraclitus” calling this “the common law” or “natural law”.119 Apparently, these groups believed the Logos was present in all of creation, i.e. they had a panentheistic (God is in all) worldview.
Others asserted that it was Philo’s Logos that John had in mind. Philo combined aspects of Stoicism (including the Logos as the divine mind, or nous120) with his own theology which was influenced by Platonism (from the philosophy of Plato):
In Philo’s scheme, the Logos is directly below God and directly above the powers through which God rules creation; the powers appear as angels when related to OT imagery, but Philo elsewhere identifies them with Platonic ideas. The Logos, as God’s archangel and eldest offspring, functions as ambassador to humanity and separates the creature from the Creator; as such it is a mediator of God’s activity in the world and of revelation. The Logos is God’s image, through whom the universe was formed. In Platonic thought the sensory world is merely a copy of the real world of ideas, of eternal forms. The Stoics, by contrast, saw the Logos as immanent in the world of matter. Philo combines these strands of thought, following the syncretistic lead of middle Platonism in his day.121
Still others claim that John had in mind the Wisdom literature in Scripture [Proverbs 8, 9, etc] and extra-Biblical writings of the time including the Apocrypha (the Deuterocanonical books in the Catholic Bible including “Wisdom of Solomon”, “Wisdom of Ben Sira”, etc.) and the Pseudepigrapha (literary works circa 200 BC to 200AD). This position asserts that John had envisioned Jesus as Wisdom personified given the many seeming parallels between his use of Logos and the way Sophia, the Greek word for Wisdom, is used in the Wisdom literature. Yet the Gospel writer never actually uses Sophia in reference to Jesus. Therefore, some scholars claim reliance on this motif while others may affirm perhaps partial influence.122
Andreas Kostenberger sees John’s intent more in line with personifying the Word of God in the OT noting the strong parallel of John 1 with Genesis 1, the parallels of John 1:14-18 with Exodus 33-34, and the Logos concept in Isaiah 55:9-11 (and other passages in Isaiah).123 In addition, Kostenberger seems to suggest the Logos concept was used as an apologetic against prevailing Greek thought:
…Though John does not elaborate on the precise way in which Jesus was made flesh, his contention that deity assumed human nature in Jesus would have been anathema for Greeks who held to a spirit/matter dualism and could hardly have imagined immaterial Reason becoming a physical being.124
It seems quite plausible that the Gospel writer, being well aware of current philosophical and religious thought, wrote the prologue and parts of the rest of the Gospel with a dual purpose – as both a Gospel and an apologetic against these threats. This is especially possible if one assumes a late date of authorship as do most scholars (between 90AD and 100AD).125 In fact, Irenaeus, in his Adversus Haereses (Against Heresies), circa 180AD, makes the claim that the Gospel of John is an apologetic against the burgeoning Gnostic (or proto-Gnostic) threat of John’s day.126 John’s Gospel (and, of course, his epistles, especially 1 John which contains elements of the Gospel’s prologue) can function as an apologetic against current Christological heresies as well since some of the concepts above are being perpetuated in slightly different forms today.
The Word Becoming Flesh
Christian orthodoxy affirms that Jesus Christ was/is the Word made flesh; i.e., the Word/Logos, the second Person of the eternal Triune God, added human flesh to Himself and became the unique God-man in the womb of the Virgin Mary. This hypostatic union retains throughout eternity, for Jesus Christ is yet still both human (with a glorified body) and divine as He sits at the Father’s right hand. However, Bill Johnson explicitly denies the uniqueness of the Word made flesh:
…It’s the Spirit of God that makes this thing [the Bible] come alive to where we actually have the privilege of the Word becoming flesh in us again, where we become the living illustration and manifestation of what God is saying.127
What does he mean by “the Word becoming flesh in us again”? Are we to be just like Jesus, i.e. divine? Or was Jesus not the second person the Trinity made flesh in the first place? Is this what Johnson means by “Jesus emptied Himself of divinity and became man”?128 Perhaps this is speaking of the false parousia as mentioned in part II? Or, is this a combination of some or all of these?
In yet another sermon, titled “Jesus is Our Model” – the same from which is the blasphemous ‘born again Jesus’ statement – we have Johnson speaking on the word Word yet again:
…Look at verse 3 [of Luke 4], “And, the devil said to Him, ‘IF you are the Son of God command this stone to become bread.’” Jesus answered Him saying, “It is written: Man shall not live by bread alone but by every WORD of God.” What was the first temptation? It wasn’t to turn stone into bread, it was to question who He was…129
Not many theologians would agree with Johnson that the first temptation was “to question who He was” by emphasizing if. The majority of scholars assert it was a test to satisfy His hunger by miraculous power rather than relying on the Father for provision.130 But, more importantly, Johnson stresses Word having in mind the Word of Faith (WoF) “rhema” Word, i.e., ‘new revelation’ – NOT that Jesus is Himself the unique, second Person of the Trinity Word/Logos made flesh, although that is how it may appear at first. This will be evident as we continue on with Johnson:
…Jesus explains this later to the disciples in Matthew 13; I’ll just read the one phrase to you that’ll help that concept to make sense. He was talking about people who had no root in themselves; they hear the Word but there’s no depth in their person. They’ve not been prepared for what God is saying and doing…131
In applying Matthew 13 to both Jesus and mankind rather than just mankind, Johnson has reduced Jesus to a man who Himself is indwelt by (NOT in hypostatic union with) the “rhema” Word. Simultaneously, he’s reinterpreted this Scripture to pertain to those who either accept or reject the WoF “rhema” Word. [The Greek words rhema and logos are used interchangeably in the Bible although the Apostle John specifically refers to Jesus as the Logos made flesh (John 1:1,14).] Continuing on:
…It says, “for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the WORD [3 second pause for emphasis] immediately they stumble. Persecution, difficulty, conflict arises because of the Word. The WORD of the Lord attracts CONFLICT. It’s not punishment. It’s not to humiliate. It’s for two basic reasons: it’s because the Lord wants to give reward and He wants to honor character. Character is not formed in the absence of options. There has to be two trees in the Garden where I am honored for a decision. Do I honor what God has declared over my life or not? Do I consider other options, other possibilities?132
Please note that the Scripture in Matthew 13 [13:21-22] refers to the Gospel message, not the “rhema” Word as Johnson would have us believe. Scripturally, either one accepts the Gospel message and stays true to the Faith (the true convert) or one drifts away when trials and tribulations arise, when persecution comes, or the message is choked out by the concerns of life (the false convert).
At this point we’ll compare to more text from Levi Dowling’s New Age book which was referenced in part IIIa:
The Christ is son, the only son begotten by Almighty God, the God of Force and God omniscient, the God of thought; and Christ is God, the God of Love.
…Through Christ all life was manifest; and so through him all things were done, and naught was done in forming worlds or peopling worlds without the Christ.
Christ is the Logos of Infinities and through the Word alone are Thought and Force made manifest.133
This is obviously a perversion of the prologue in John’s Gospel. Both “Thought” and “Force” are capitalized in the original [“thought” is not capitalized the first time though]. This sure reads like WoF doctrine with “faith” as a ‘force’ and the “rhema” Word, ‘new, ongoing revelation’, coming into our thoughts. “Christ” here is in reference to a member of this false Trinity who also “pervades all spaces of infinity”134, as in panentheism, meaning that all matter contains a “seed” of “Christ”, including man, and it takes the “Christ Spirit” to activate these “seeds”:
Into the soil…these seeds, which were the Thoughts of God, were cast…and they who sowed the seeds, through Christ, ordained that they should grow…and each to be a perfection of its kind.135
To reiterate, this “Christ” is the occult version of “Christ in you, the hope of glory” [Col 1:27] with “Christ” being the dormant, non-activated seed as well as a member of this false Trinity who permeates all matter. This is evident in the following words of Levi’s “Jesus”:
…Look to the Christ within who will be formed in every one of you, as he is formed in me.136
Now, let’s pick up where we left off in the sermon of Johnson:
…This story in Matthew 13, the parable of the seed and the sower actually gives this picture of soil; and the seed of God’s Word, the sperma of God, is released into the seed, through His Word, into the soil. And, then it says, but other things grow and they choke out the life of that seed of God. Think about it: the Word of God, the most powerful thing in the universe, is put into an environment that if we give attention to other IDEALS, other VOICES, other WORDS, we actually give them a place in our heart to take root and they choke out the Word of God, the most powerful thing in the universe. For a season, the Lord has allowed our choices to affect the power, the effect of the most powerful thing in the universe. It’s stunning…137
We’ll elaborate more on the “sperma of God” in the section below on “spiritual DNA”; but, it seems obvious that it’s analogous to Bob Jones’ “God sperm seed” from part II. This “sperma of God” compares remarkably well with Levi’s “seeds” account above, does it not? In addition, Levi’s statement “through the Word alone are Thought and Force made manifest” seems akin to Johnson’s “rhema” Word made manifest in both Jesus and ‘believers’ as we consider Johnson’s words, “we actually have the privilege of the Word becoming flesh in us again, where we become the living illustration and manifestation of what God is saying.”
Also, note Johnson’s negative emphasis on ideals, voices, and words – is this a knock against Christian theological orthodoxy? Perhaps so, since later Johnson speaks of ‘religion’ as, “mowing down the seeds so that they all look the same”.138 Bill Johnson continues to make more parallels to Levi’s doctrine:
…The most powerful thing in the universe, the Word of God – that created the world, that spoke things into being, that Word has been planted in your heart.139
You’ve got to know the mind of the Lord if you’re gonna stand strong.140
Overall, Johnson appears to be making the point that to be strong, to grow in the faith, one must become more and more attuned to the ‘continuing revelation’ of the “rhema” word. This is instead of the Christian orthodox view of sanctification by submitting to the Holy Spirit’s leading rather than our own flesh, carnality.
Levi’s teachings are not unique to him as these are also common in Gnostic literature (as stated earlier, Gnosticism also informs New Age doctrine). In Benjamin Walker’s Gnosticism: Its History and Influence, he uses this same “seed” concept referencing Matthew 13 like Johnson. Walker notes how man may either “identify with the upper realm and be transformed by it, or with the lower and perish as a result.”141
This type of man hears the call, but whether he listens and responds, or not, lies entirely within himself. He is capable of receiving the seed sown by the sower. But he is fertile ground for both tares and wheat (Matt. 13:25). He must take care that the thorns of intellectualism and disbelief do not grow and choke the seed. He has free will and tends both to good and evil, and must make up his own mind in which direction he will move…142
Biblically, the parable of the wheat and the tares/weeds [Matt 13:24-30] is about true Christians and false Christians. The false Christians (tares/weeds) will be intertwined with the true (wheat) until the eschaton, the consummation, the end of all things.
This same false teaching is also in the Unity Church doctrine. The following is a portion of the Unity Church’s definition for “kingdom of God” in their Metaphysical Bible Dictionary which compares favorably with both the Gnostic account above and Johnson’s version of Matthew 13:
…Jesus likened the kingdom to a seed because a seed has unexpressed capacities, and needs to be planted in the soil best suited, and when planted in a receptive mind it brings forth the fruits of the Spirit. The life of the word is the spiritual idea it contains.
The kingdom of heaven is attained, first, by one’s establishing in one’s mind the consciousness of the truth of Being; second, by one’s outer life to Truth.
Jesus used many commonplace things to illustrate the establishing of the kingdom of heaven in consciousness in order that we might the more easily adjust all our thoughts and acts in harmony with the ideas that make heaven.
Jesus likened heaven to a man that sowed good seed in his field, but when he slept an enemy sowed tares there (Matt. 13:24-30). The explanation is this: The field is consciousness; the good seed are our true thoughts, which are sown when we express our mind positively. The tares are the error thoughts that drift in when the consciousness is negative or ignorant…143
For further comparison, here are two quotes from Constance Cumbey’s September, 1988 New Age Monitor in which are transcriptions of question and answer sessions with David Spangler and Michael Lindfield, both of Findhorn Foundation, an openly New Age organization (which has been around for 50 years and counting). Both individuals were taped at Boulder Episcopalian Church in Boulder, CO on October 26, 1987144 the day following an important series of meetings with Evangelicals and New Agers over the weekend. First is Spangler:
…Even today, you know, in meeting with people who are leaders of the evangelical and pentecostal community, it was quite evident they were saying, ‘you know, the Spirit of Christ is in the world.’ It is in all people. That is in scripture and as a consequence, people who have never encountered Christianity can still encounter Christ. And a number of these evangelicals came up with examples of this in their travels around the world, and pointed to scriptural passages to substantiate this…145
Spangler makes the claim that both Evangelical and Pentecostal leaders stated that ‘Christ’ is “in all people” such that even non-Christians can “encounter Christ.” Lindfield makes a similar claim about himself having his “own essential Christhood” and then makes a further claim about the “word made flesh”:
…I claim my right to freely explore my relationship with God and with Christ. And if that makes me a New Ager, I will proudly wear that label, if that makes me a fundamental Christian, I will proudly wear that label. Whatever it is that allows me to freely explore my relationship with God – my own essential Christhood – I will gladly take that on…There are many books and many writings purporting to express ‘this is the New Age.’ But in essence what I feel we are searching for is the word made flesh – not just the word made paper…146
Levi Dowling makes this concluding statement with respect to the “Word made flesh”:
…[A]fter thirty years of strenuous life the man [Jesus] made his body fit to be the temple of the holy breath [Holy Spirit] and Love [Christ] took full possession, and John well said when he declared: ‘And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.’147
Dowling’s point is that Jesus of Nazareth so demonstrated His worthiness to become ‘the Christ’, the World Teacher of the Piscean Age, that He was fully possessed by ‘the Christ’, the member of the false Trinity. That is, Jesus, like all others, had the seed within Him (‘Christ within’, the “Thoughts of God” which pervade “all spaces of infinity”) which was then activated by ‘the Christ’, the Son of the false Trinitarian Father, who eventually “took full possession” of Him. Once ‘the Christ’, the Logos of Infinities, the false Trinitarian Christ, took full possession of Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus then became ‘the Word made flesh’. The now ascended Master Jesus, the “World Teacher” for the Age of Pisces, is now our example to follow towards our own ascension to godhood. To that end, we ourselves must also become “the Word made flesh”.
Given the earlier comparison (in part IIIa) of some Christological quotes of Bill Johnson to those of Levi and the comparisons in this particular section, it is entirely plausible that Johnson intends the same meaning as Levi with respect to “the Word made flesh”.
Interestingly, later in the “Jesus is our Model” sermon, Johnson comes close to correctly explaining Jesus’ first temptation as Him not succumbing to the Devil’s temptation to turn stone into bread: “He could have used the anointing that the Father had given Him through the Holy Spirit to turn the stone into bread. But, He would not prostitute the favor, the anointing, the power, for personal gain…He faced it; He quoted Scripture; He brought the Word back into focus.”148 However, note that He refrained from using “the anointing that the Father had given Him” rather than His own inherent divinity.
Yet, Johnson follows this up conflating Scripture with the “rhema” Word, then he proceeds to use an example of a personal predictive prophecy which purportedly came to pass years later thereby emphasizing the “rhema” Word and, hence, coming full circle. Subsequently, he closes his sermon and restates his original wrong exposition on Jesus’ first temptation.149
So, initially, Johnson goes to great lengths to show that Jesus’ first temptation was to question who He was as the “rhema” Word made flesh; yet, he later claims that Jesus first temptation was to get Him to use the power of ‘the anointing’ “for personal gain” thereby contradicting his first interpretation. However, he asserts once again that Jesus’ first temptation was to “question His identity” near the very end of this sermon.150 This aptly illustrates Johnson’s duplicity.
The Word Becoming Spirit
In the following is another example of Johnson proclaiming Jesus as the “rhema” Word made flesh in yet another sermon. However, Bill Johnson goes a bit further. In this first bit, Johnson is making the point that most don’t have the full reality of what God ‘has already imparted into us’. By this, he apparently means we’ve not yet fully actualized the seed implanted in us:
…We take such small risks because we live with such ignorance of what we possess. I pray…that the ongoing revelation of God would come upon us as a people to discover what He has already been imparted to us; so that we can reasonably pursue the increase in what we’re lacking, what we’re missing…the real issue is that we live in ignorance of what has already been deposited into our lives.151
This “ongoing revelation”, this “rhema” Word, activated by “the sperma of God” will help us to literally release ‘the Word’ into the atmosphere – as it did for Jesus:
…Jesus said the Kingdom is within you. Now that Kingdom is released in many different ways. It is released through touch, it is released through the prophetic act, it is released through word. In John chapter 6, Jesus said, “My words to you are spirit and they are life.” Whenever Jesus spoke, He spoke what the Father was saying; so, nothing originated [from Him]…152
Johnson goes on with his usual kenotic motif of ‘Jesus did nothing of Himself being totally reliant on the Father in order to model a Spirit-filled life for the believer’. Then he continues, claiming that when Jesus, “the Word made flesh”, spoke, His Words literally became Spirit by taking John 6:63 out of context. He expounds on this proof-text by taking Romans 14:17 out of context as well which is followed by more Scripture twisting in order to make his esoteric point:
…So Jesus makes this declaration: “My words to you are spirit and they are life…Jesus is the Word of God made flesh; but, every time He spoke, the Word of God became Spirit – Word made flesh; Word made Spirit… Why is that important?
…Paul said this in Romans, that the Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, but it is righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, it’s righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is IN the Holy Spirit. When words become Spirit, the realms of God’s dominion are released over humanity. When we say what the Father is saying then we literally impart Presence through speech. It is not the volume. It is not the profundity. It is the source: Was it from the heart of the Father? If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain. The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit. When we say what the Father is saying, we change the options of every hearer…
When Jesus said, “Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand” He was letting them know ‘when I talk to you, a reality is released over you that changed your options’. And your answer is within reach. It’s at HAND.153
Is this Levi’s (God of) Force ‘made manifest’ “through the Word”? The similarities are striking indeed. Later in this same monologue, Johnson tells the audience the entire purpose of “all ministry” which is to literally “impart the Person of the Spirit of Christ”. Which “Spirit of Christ” is being imparted?
…It’s my conviction that all ministry can be summed up…can be boiled down to one thing: All ministry is actually imparting the Person of the Spirit of Christ into the atmosphere, into a situation. It’s actually imparting [ED: Johnson here points to his mouth] the person. “Freely you have received, freely give.” What have you received? Him.154
This doctrine is not found anywhere in the pages of the Holy Bible; however, this concept is remarkably similar to an occult teaching regarding the etheric realm. In Alice Bailey’s Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle, she describes the etheric realm as the panentheistic realm – that substance of ‘god’ which is within all matter. She uses the term omnipresence to describe its nature:
…Omnipresence has its basis in the substance of the universe, and in what the scientists call the ether; this word “ether” is a generic term covering the ocean of energies which are all inter-related and which constitute that one synthetic energy body of our planet.155
In panentheism, God is both transcendent (outside the cosmos) while simultaneously immanent, within all matter. This immanence is the ‘god within’ (or “Christ within”, seed, divine spark) which inter-connects with all others; i.e., the ‘god within’ one person or thing is of the same essence as the ‘god within’ another. This ‘divine immanence’ is the etheric realm, and omnipresence characterizes the nature of the entire etheric body. This then makes omniscience possible to all:
It is a fact that omnipresence, which is a law in nature and based on the fact that the etheric bodies of all forms constitute the world etheric body, makes omniscience possible. The etheric body of the planetary Logos is swept into activity by His directed will; energy is the result of His thoughtform playing in and through His energy body.156
Bailey asserts that this inter-connectness of the panentheistic, etheric realm makes collective omniscience possible since “divine thought” permeates this realm.157 Through “concentration and meditation”, individuals become “inspired Thinkers” with the power to direct this energy thereby acquiring “the clue to ultimate world salvation”:158
The thought-directing energy has for its source a Thinker Who can enter into the divine Mind, owing to His having transcended human limitation; the thought-directed receiver is the man, in exoteric expression, who has aligned his brain, his mind, and his soul.159
…Advanced humanity, the mystics and the knowers, are becoming increasingly aware of the mind which directs the evolutionary process. When this awareness is cultivated and the individual mind is brought consciously into contact with the mind of God as it expresses itself through the illumined mind of the Hierarchy of adepts, we shall have the steady growth of omniscience. This is the whole story of telepathic interplay in the true sense; it portrays the growth of that oligarchy of elect souls who will eventually rule the world, who will be chosen so to rule…160
Going back to Johnson, “The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit”. And, “If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain”. So, in speaking the “rhema” Word (or through touch or the “prophetic act”), we release the “person of the Holy Spirit”, or, in other words of Johnson, we impart “the person of the Spirit of Christ into the atmosphere, into a situation”. This is the purpose of “all ministry” as per Johnson. In comparing to the Bailey concept above, it seems plausible that Johnson is releasing the ‘etheric realm’ into the atmosphere through the spoken “Word of God” via the omnipresence inherent in the ether. Let’s compare this to more words of Bailey from another book:
Instruction is being given at this time to a special group of people who have come into incarnation at this critical period of world’s history. They have come in, all at the same time, throughout the world, to do the work of linking up the two planes, the physical and the astral, via the etheric.161
It would be instructive to point out that occult / New Age / New Spirituality teachings are also expecting a “kingdom of god” as illustrated in Alice Bailey’s From Bethlehem to Calvary: The Initiations of Jesus, her 1937 work explaining how Jesus is ‘our model’:
It is time that the Church woke up to its true mission, which is to materialise the kingdom of God on earth, today, here and now…162
…A new kingdom is coming into being: the fifth kingdom in nature [ED: kingdom of God] is materialising, and already has a nucleus functioning on earth in physical bodies.163
Bailey explains this concept of bringing in the “kingdom of god” in yet another book, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, with the book’s title about the intent of ‘externalizing’ the “Spiritual Hierarchy” (of demons) onto the physical plane (the earth):
Hovering today within the aura of our planet are certain great spiritual Forces and Entities, awaiting the opportunity to participate actively in the work of world redemption, re-adjustment and reconstruction. Their Presence is sensed at times by the spiritually-minded people of the world, and Their reality is recognised by the mystics and occultists working in every land. Men and women express this recognition according to the trend of their religious and psychological training and the particular mental or emotional bias…164
The book goes on to note how the different religions await various messianic figures each according to its own particular religious views and how this can create a powerful “thoughtform”. This collusion of thought can hasten an event:
…[W]hen a thoughtform has been constructed of sufficient potency and has been built over a long period of time by the people of the world, a further and final stage becomes ever possible. The form can be rendered so magnetic that it can attract an Energy which will inform it and give it active potency; it can then become a vital link between the subjective world of energy and the objective world of forces and a thing of power, of impelling and guiding activity, and therefore the expression of a Life. This thoughtform, duly informed, becomes a mediating factor, constructed by humanity but animated by the will-to-good of some great and spiritual Entity… 165
Is this the method Johnson has in mind “to impart Presence through speech”? Is this what is meant by his conviction that the ultimate goal of ministry is “actually imparting the Person of the Spirit of Christ into the atmosphere, into a situation”? While Johnson does not make any explicit or implicit claims of omniscience in believers with his words above, he implies it in the following section (while Bob Jones does so explicitly).
We’ll close this section with additional words of Alice Bailey stating fairly concisely the intents and purposes of the “Spiritual Hierarchy” of which she communed indicating the needed cooperation of humanity:
Emphasis should be laid on the evolution of humanity with peculiar attention to its goal, perfection…man in incarnation, by the indwelling and over-shadowing soul…The relation of the individual soul to all souls should be taught, and with it the long-awaited kingdom of God is simply the appearance of soul-controlled men on earth in everyday life and at all stages of that control…The fact will appear that the Kingdom has always been present but has remained unrecognized, owing to the relatively few people who express, as yet, its quality….166
Getting Down to the DNA of Spiritual DNA
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In his Shepherd’s Rod 2005, Bob Jones used this same concept of the ‘Word becoming flesh in us again’ with the ‘Word’ being the WoF “rhema” word, i.e. new, ongoing revelation, in referencing spiritual DNA:
The Living Word or Bread of life once again desires to be made flesh through a body of people joined with Him in a holy consummation. As we live not by natural bread alone but by the living Word proceeding from the mouth of God, the bread of abundant life, even so the hidden truth of godliness will become part of our spiritual DNA.
…Mysteries reserved deep in the heart of the Father, locked away in the mind of Christ, and dispersed by the Spirit who searches the deep things, await the passionate embrace of a latter-day company of overcoming, holy, victorious ones…167
Since Jesus identified Himself as the “Bread of Life” [John 6:35, 48], it is clear Jones is claiming that some believers will, at some point, be just like Jesus as “the Word made flesh”, thus mirroring Johnson above. Apparently, in living by the “living Word proceeding from the mouth of God” the spiritual DNA is expanded.
In part II it was shown how Bob Jones differentiated between the physical body which contains our DNA as compared to “His [God’s] genetics” / conscience / spirit within each person that has “authority over DNA”. This is subsequently added to the human body (clay). Jones’ teaching appears to be a ‘Christianized’ version of the esoteric/occult doctrine of reincarnation.
Apparently, “spiritual DNA” provides the means with which one can attain the literal mind of Christ (omniscience) as Jones also mentions in his teaching at the 2011 Piercing the Darkness prophetic conference:
…But there are Christians who are maturin’ now in their mind to where they’ll have the mind of Christ, and they’ll have the answers…168
This presumably occurs when one taps into “the Wisdom of the Ages” [see part II and below]. It is entirely possible, if not probable, that Jones has in mind ‘the Christ’ which is part of the false Trinity of Levi, i.e. the one which “took full possession” of Jesus of Nazareth (or a similar teaching). This then would mean that when Jones speaks of ‘Christ’ “coming IN my people” [see part II] – referencing the false parousia – he’s referring to this same false Christ.
To reiterate, and perhaps make clearer, here’s additional context of Jones’ “God sperm seed” statement in which his claim is that this “spirit of God” comes into everyone at conception:
…Everyone of you, when you were conceived in your mother’s womb, a spirit of God came into you. It’s your human spirit which is your conscience. When this came into you, this spirit was as mature as it’ll ever be because this spirit came from God. And, this is what’s been guiding your life – your conscience, your human spirit. Man is six things. He’s mind, will, and emotions. He is human spirit, Holy Spirit and Wisdom of the Ages. What happens if you begin to tap into the Wisdom of the Ages? In that little bitty God sperm seed – 1st Peter 1:23 is all the Wisdom of the Ages. That genetic thing – you have authority over DNA…169
When Jones speaks of those Christians “who are maturing’ now in their mind” he’s speaking of those who are in tune with this ‘spirit’ which has “been guiding your life”, a “spiritual guide” which is providing these ‘new revelations’. For those not familiar with New Age or esoteric/occult terminology, “spiritual guide” is the term used most commonly for a disincarnate spirit which guides the individual (which can seem like a ‘god within’). Jones adds more to the above (quoted in part II):
But what He put in here [ED: the body] was not DNA. It was His [God’s] genetics that has authority over DNA… For this conscience of yours is really your spiritual guide. God gave this to you to guide your lives. Don’t violate your conscience. In certain places it’s called your spirit. Especially in 2nd Corinthians 7:1 it’s called spirit and flesh.170
Jones is reiterating that it’s the spirit which is “as mature as it will ever be” which was “put in here [the body]” at conception. It seems Jones’ “God sperm seed” is the agent which activates “His [God’s] genetics”, “your conscience”, which allows one to “tap into the Wisdom of the Ages”. This “God sperm seed” is apparently what activates the “spiritual DNA” which “has authority over DNA”. This appears to be very similar to, if not the same as, Johnson’s teaching on the “sperma of God”.
Johnson sets up his account of the “sperma of God” by explaining that ‘God’s Word’ brings conflict; however, again, Johnson is not speaking of Scripture. He is referring to the “rhema” word as in the Word of Faith teachings as noted above:
…This story in Matthew 13, the parable of the seed and the sower actually gives this picture of soil; and the seed of God’s Word, the sperma of God, is released into the seed, through His Word, into the soil. And, then it says, but other things grow and they choke out the life of that seed of God…171
Johnson’s point is essentially that other concerns “choke out” the ‘rhema Word’ preventing the “seed of God’s Word”, which is the “sperma of God”, from growing in the soil of the human. With this teaching, he may well be promoting, in a more subtle way, the same doctrine of reincarnation that Jones has explained a bit more explicitly in part II. The following quotes will help explain this a bit more.
In his book When Heaven Invades Earth, Bill Johnson speaks of “spiritual DNA” in two different passages. Bracketed comments are inserted for explanation:
God is our Father, and we inherit His genetic code [at conception]. Every believer has written into his or her spiritual DNA [activated by the “sperma of God”] the desire for the supernatural….172
It is abnormal for a Christian not to have an appetite for the impossible. It has been written into our spiritual DNA [activated by the “sperma of God”] to hunger for the impossibilities around us to bow at the name of Jesus.173
God’s “genetic code” is the not yet activated “spiritual DNA” that all receive at conception. This “spiritual DNA” is activated when one begins to listen to the ‘Word of God’, or “conscience” / ‘spirit’ as Jones would put it, thus beginning the ‘born again’ experience. Here are some additional quotes:
…Exposure to the supernatural works of God changes the capacity of leaders to lead, thereby changing the bent of the people of God to pursue Him.
Such exposure is the equivalent of a spiritual change of DNA. Something is altered in that person that enables him or her to lead in a way that the people of God inherit a heart for God through the leader’s influence.174
It is said that when a kernel of corn is planted, every kernel that grows has the exact same DNA as the original kernel in the ground. Jesus became the ultimate seed that was planted in death, and we were born again by the same Spirit that raised Him from the dead. Every born-again believer has the DNA of Christ. That is amazing!
This DNA of Christ in us is practical in that it enables the Godlike capacity to dream…He [Jesus] was planted to redeem people unto something. And that unto something involves accurately and fully representing who Jesus is on earth as in Heaven. We have His DNA and therefore manifest His face to the world…175
In this context, ‘born again’ refers to the point at which the ‘spiritual DNA’ is activated. Once again, Johnson stresses how Jesus was raised by the Spirit rather than by the Father AND Christ Himself as per orthodoxy. And this same ‘Spirit’ provides the ‘born again’ experience of every ‘believer’. Johnson stresses this elsewhere in the same book: “The Holy Spirit in us is the same Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead. He is the Spirit of the resurrected Christ.”176 Johnson emphasizes ‘the Spirit’. Could Johnson be referring to the same “Christ Spirit” that Benjamin Crème had in mind as indicated at the end of part IIIa?
Also, his assertion that we should be “accurately and fully representing who Jesus is on earth as in Heaven” in this context has overtones of the heretical Manifested Sons of God (MSoG) teaching. And the ‘kernel of corn’ comparison reads much like the “seed of God’s Word”, “sperma of God” teaching above. Johnson reiterates this teaching in a Charisma piece from last year’s special issue featuring Bethel Church:
When the Spirit of the resurrected Christ took up residence in our bodies, all of heaven positioned itself to see what we would conquer in His name. Resurrection power is in our nature, in our spiritual DNA. When we were born again, we received the same spiritual DNA as Jesus. His resurrection power now is to dwell in us through the Holy Spirit…177
This “resurrection power” described above was discussed in Bill Johnson’s ‘Born Again’ Jesus, Part II illustrating likely roots in MSoG teaching which has a parallel teaching in the occult / New Age / New Spirituality which itself is predicated on the false doctrine of reincarnation.
Let’s compare Johnson’s teachings with those of Eternal Vision Ministries which adheres to the following creed: “We believe that all of creation was designed and set forth to fulfill God’s Eternal Purpose”.178 Their teachings are reminiscent of other hyper-charismatic ministries with a decidedly New Age bent. There’s no explicit mention of the Gospel while there’s a vague “Gospel of Eternity” promoted. The following is from their teaching “The Function of the Bride”:
It is clear that growth cannot be accurately measured by the number of doctrines we learn or the amount of knowledge we achieve. Spiritual growth is measured by the spiritual life we have received from Him. This is the Zoe Life that IS Christ in us. This is the Life that comes into us as the sperma of God when we are born again. This “sperma” is the living and abiding word of God. It is also called the Spirit of Christ or the Spirit of His Son. The same “sperma” that was impregnated into Mary to develop into the Man Christ Jesus also comes into us. The growth of that “sperma” was the incarnation of God in a human body.
God’s goal for the church is the incarnation of Christ IN His body now on earth. For that reason God begins by infusing the “sperma” of God which is the living and abiding Word of God into each of us individually. Then individual “members” are assembled into a local body called the church. The corporate church is said to be the fullness of Him that fills all in all. In other words this church is the manifestation of Christ.
Jesus said if you have seen Me you have seen the Father because He was the manifestation of the Father on earth. Hopefully we will be able to say if you have seen me you have seen Christ, at least if we see His fulness we will see the “corporate Christ”. A “body with many members”.179
This looks a LOT like Bill Johnson’s teachings. Not surprisingly, Eternal Vision asserts that Jesus was formed from the same “sperma” that ‘infuses’ “each of us individually”. This correlates to Johnson’s teaching of Jesus as explained above regarding Jesus as the “rhema” Word made flesh by this “living and abiding word” indwelling Jesus rather than Jesus as the second Person of the Trinity made flesh via the hypostatic union. Of course, this also correlates with the teaching of Levi above.
In an article titled Creating Heaven on Earth, is an interview of New Ager Jean Adrienne by Asa Wulfe in which they discuss bodily ascension as a way of creating Heaven on Earth in the here and now. Note the similarity in title as compared with Johnson’s When Heaven Invades Earth. In the Adrienne/Wulfe interview, Adrienne describes the process of ascension as being “started by activating additional strands of DNA – the spiritual DNA”:
…[I]f additional strands are activated, we awaken new abilities, gifts, and powers that have been dormant…Perhaps our DNA could be a ladder into the Fifth Dimension…180
This “Fifth Dimension” is analogous to Bailey’s “Fifth Kingdom,” also known as the “Kingdom of God”, which is only accessed by achieving the fourth (and higher) initiations with the fourth initiation resulting in the attainment of a manifested son of God. [see “Christ” in the New Age article on this site]:
Certainly, everything that we are physically is encoded in the DNA. We have physical DNA in our cells, and spiritual DNA that is in our energy field. These two energies have to be connected, just as the left and right hemispheres of the brain must become integrated and balanced as we move into the Fifth Dimension.
All of our inner knowledge is stored in the DNA…When we become authentic, we no longer search outside ourselves for ‘true knowledge.’ It is within us.181
Bill Johnson’s friend Che Ahn of HRock Church has clearly defined spiritual DNA in an old Ministry Today article:
While no two of us are exactly alike physically, it would appear we have the same spiritual DNA, according to the Scriptures. Like Adam and all of humanity to follow him, the image of the Godhead has been passed down…
…[C]an we fathom the untold significance of having our Father’s DNA?
I no longer merely confess that I am the righteousness of Christ. I realize that with His DNA in me through His blood, I could be nothing else. I realize the attributes of His DNA reside in me—whether dormant or active.
No longer do I see the fruit of the Spirit as something we “will” by self-effort or following the law. Rather, I see that in my DNA, God has already placed genes of love, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. They are waiting to be activated by the Holy Spirit.182
This sounds much like what Bill Johnson is stating although it explains some aspects a bit more clearly. From another New Age / New Spirituality site we see, once again, the same concepts:
In our current DNA structure, we have two visible strands, which are called backbone DNA, but all the other 10 other strands are present…According to Esoteric teachings, the first two strands are Physical DNA, the other ten strands are Spiritual DNA.
…Activating your dormant DNA, which in time will also give you access to the secrets and mysteries of which you are and what your life-purpose is, will allow you to realize your full potential here on Earth.183
Divine Nature Activated
Bill Johnson’s friend Todd Bentley defined “DNA” as “Divine Nature Activated” under the Supernatural Training Center tab on his old Fresh Fire Canada site. This seems an apt way to define the activation of the “spiritual DNA”:
Christ wants us to know Him intimately by the power of the Holy Spirit and to catch His vision for our lives. His desire is to build godly character into our DNA – Divine Nature Activated….184

Also, his now-defunct Fresh Fire Canada site featured his “Joel’s Army Internship” in which was found the following quote from Jerame Nelson of Living at His Feet Ministries:
…I have experienced a true impartation of the Fire of God, as well as faith to see the divine nature of Jesus Christ manifest in the earth today…185
Do we have a divine nature? Scripture shows we have a fallen, sinful human nature but never does the Bible say or even allude to humans having a divine nature. Yes, the Holy Spirit is in the true believer which makes us “partakers of the divine nature” [2nd Peter 1:4 NKJV] but only through Him. The word partake does not mean become. Yes, we can say “Christ in us, the hope of glory” [Col 1:27]; but, this does not mean we become Christ or divine. Only the Trinitarian Godhead is divine.
However, as explained earlier, esoteric/occult teaching is such that man has a dual nature – one human and one inherent but latent divine nature which must be actualized through self-effort. Once an individual acknowledges their inherent divinity, then they can work towards actualizing it. This seems like the best explanation for Bill Johnson’s concepts of the “sperma of God”, “Word made flesh”, “spiritual DNA” and the other material brought forth in this article.
The significance of “Divine Nature Activated” is explained quite well by New Ager John Lewis of Age to Age Ministries:
Citizens of planet Earth, you have been incarnated in your present physical form at this time to witness and participate in the Transformation of human kind. This phase of human evolution is to bring him into full manifestation of his Divineness…
You are not here by accident, chance, or coincident. Your parents were only convenient for you arriving in the physical 3 dimensional existence you now experience. You came through your mother, but you came from God. Parents gave you the physical and biological stuff to house who you really are until the appointed time of the Divine Nature Activated. You are being summoned and wooed to an experience that transcends what is known as the human experience. Therefore, arise and shine because the Light within is coming to full expression and the glory of God will become more visible on your physical being.186
Once again, one can almost hear the refrain of the popular song by the soul/rock group The 5th Dimension “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In”. Clearly, this is very similar, if not the same as, Manifest Sons of God teaching. Continuing with Lewis in his subsection titled, “DIVINE NATURE ACTIVATED”:
‘We are partakers of his divine nature.’ 97% of our DNA is unused, not active; therefore, the science communities don’t understand it. I believe that the discovery of DNA at the time it was discovered was carefully orchestrated by God in man….
…The 97% of your DNA that’s not activated is GOD waiting to be activated in man. You have the information and intelligence of the Adam the son of God encoded in your DNA. Access and activation to this information will cause you to live as Adam the God-man in the Garden of your Be-ing….
One will only be able to fulfill the Divine purpose when he is walking in awareness of his own divinity. It is our belief system that hinders us from being the Gods we are…187
John Lewis’ teachings sure do resemble those of Johnson, Jones, Ahn and Bentley, do they not?
Part IV will discuss how some other teachings of Johnson resemble those of occult / New Age / New Spirituality and will conclude this series.
117Rudolph, Kurt; trans. R McLachlan Wilson Gnosis: The Nature & History of Gnosticism. © 1977 Koehler & Amelang; translation (from German) of second, revised and expanded version © 1984 T&T Clark Ltd, Edinburgh; 1987 (1st paperback), HarperCollins, New York, NY; pp 159-160, 305-306. Craig Keener, in his commentary on John [The Gospel of John: A Commentary, Volume One. 2003, 1st Softcover Ed, 2010, Hendrickson, Peabody, MA; pp 339-363], exhaustively covers the various possibilities for the Gospel writer’s reason for using the term Logos. Keener contends that any Gnostic influence on the Gospel writer is “not probable” [p 340].
118Keener; p 341
119Keener; p 341
120Keener; p 344
121Keener; p 345
122Keener; pp 347-363. While Keener is convinced of the parallel, Andreas Kostenberger [Kostenberger, Andreas J. Encountering John: The Gospel in Historical, Literary, and Theological Perspective (Encountering Biblical Series). July 2009 (8th prtg (paperback), (1999)), Baker, Grand Rapids, MI; pp 52-57] is less so as he sees “Wisdom” as a divine attribute instead [p 53]. Kostenberger believes the parallel is not close enough and, “if no closer parallel can be found, it may be necessary to conclude that personified Wisdom constitutes at least a remote parallel to the characterization in John” [p 53].
123Kostenberger, Encountering John; pp 52-56
124Kostenberger, Andreas J. John: Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament. July 2009 (4th prtg (2004)), Baker, Grand Rapids, MI; p 41
125Keener; pp 140-142. Keener notes that “John’s literary freedom” [p 140] makes it easier to date the Gospel.
126Bercot, David W., Ed. A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs. © 1988 David Bercot, November 2000 (3rd prtg), Hendrickson, Peabody, MA; p 91
127“whizzpopping” YouTube video, Bill Johnson – Friendship with God. Uploaded November 1, 2009 , taken from Bethel Church in Redding, CA, <http://www.ibethel.tv/watch/399/open-heavens-conference/2009/10/14?session=113> Open Heavens Conference October 15, 2009, morning session, Bill Johnson <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4RZ_ctiwlE>; 1:24 – 1:37; as accessed 04/23/12. Caps from emphasis in original; other emphasis added.
128Johnson, Clark, The Essential Guide to Healing; p 75. Emphasis added.
129“ewenhuffman” Jesus is our Model- Sermon of the week 20 Dec 09. Posted December 23, 2009, “Bill Johnson sermons for downloading”, mp3 audio, taken from <http://www.ibethel.org/> December 20, 2009, original sermon titled “Jesus is Our Model” <http://ewenhuffman.podbean.com/2009/12/23/jesus-is-our-model-sermon-of-the-week-20-dec-09/> 24:07 – 24:24 (Johnson continues reiterating this thought until 24:57 at which he point he explains this via Matthew 13); as accessed 04/21/12. Emphasis added.
130Bock, Darrell L. Luke, Volume 1 – 1:1—9:50 (Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament). © 1994 Darrell L. Bock, Baker, Grand Rapids, MI; pp 372-374
131“ewenhuffman” 24:57 – 25:17. Emphasis added.
132“ewenhuffman” 25:17 – 26:18. Caps from emphasis in original; other emphasis added.
133Dowling; p 6
134Dowling; p 6
135Dowling; p 6
136Dowling; p 8
137“ewenhuffman” 26:19 – 27:11. Caps from emphasis in original; other emphasis added.
138“ewenhuffman” 27:30 – 27:48.
139“ewenhuffman” 29:11 – 29:28. Emphasis added.
140“ewenhuffman” 32:14 – 32:17. Emphasis added
141Walker, Benjamin Gnosticism: Its History and Influence. © 1983 Benjamin Walker, 1989 (1st published 1983 Aquarian Press), Crucible/Thorsons Publishing Group, Northamptonshire, England; p 62
142Walker; p 62
143Unity School of Christianity Metaphysical Bible Dictionary. 1931 (1955, 8th pr.), Unity School of Christianity (no publisher specified), Lee’s Summit, MO; p 388. Emphasis added.
144Cumbey, Constance E. “An Evening with David Spangler” New Age Monitor. September 1988, Vol. 3, No. 1, Pointe Publishers, Center Line, MI; p 8
145Cumbey, “Evening with Spangler”; p 10
146Cumbey, “Evening with Spangler”; p 12
147Dowling; p 8
148“ewenhuffman” 30:21 – 31:01. Importantly, Johnson indicates Jesus refrains from using the power of “the anointing” as opposed to stating Jesus refrained from using His inherent divinity which would be the predominate historical orthodox view.
149“ewenhuffman” 31:01 – 33:00
150“ewenhuffman” 35:03 – 36:04
151“ChasingRiver” YouTube video Bill Johnson – The Resting Place – VERY POWERFUL MESSAGE. Uploaded October 1, 2011, taken from GodTV <http://www.god.tv/node/503> and <http://www.god.tv/node/504> , venue: International Church of Las Vegas (ICLV), <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQmLuG-Exo&feature=related> 11:17 – 12:04. Emphasis added. As accessed 04/23/12
152“ChasingRiver”; 12:14 – 12:39. Emphasis added.
153“ChasingRiver”; 13:09 – 15:08. Emphasis added.
154“ChasingRiver”; 34:40 – 35:08. Emphasis added.
155Bailey, Telepathy; p 2
156Bailey, Telepathy; p 7
157Bailey, Telepathy; p 7
158Bailey, Telepathy; p 6. Emphasis added.
159Bailey, Telepathy; pp 6-7
160Bailey, Telepathy; p 7
161Bailey, Alice A. Initiation, Human and Solar. © 1951 Lucis, NY, 4th paperback ed, 1980 (First printing 1922), Fort Orange Press, Albany, NY; p 67. Emphasis in original.
162Bailey, Bethlehem to Calvary; p 210
163Bailey, Bethlehem to Calvary; p 254
164Bailey, Externalisation; p 222
165Bailey, Externalisation; pp 222-223
166Bailey, Externalisation; p 588
167Jones, Bob & Paul Keith Davis Shepherd’s Rod 2005. © 2002 Bob Jones and Paul Keith Davis, Bynum Printing, Waynesboro, MS; pp 15-16. These “Shepherd’s Rods” are purportedly ‘prophetic words’ Jones receives each year on Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement. What is the significance of Yom Kippur as the Day of Atonement to the Christian when Jesus’ blood sacrifice IS the Day of Atonement and the fulfillment of this Jewish holy day? The year of Jones’ “Shepherd’s Rods” is always the year following Yom Kippur, in this case the actual date was September 25, 2004 (from page 1 of the booklet). Paul Keith Davis is of White Dove Ministries.
168Jones, “Coming Kingdom”; 5:02 – 5:11. Emphasis added.
169Jones, “Coming Kingdom”; 10:53 – 11:59. Emphasis added.
170Jones, “Coming Kingdom”; 24:48 – 25:30. Emphasis added.
171Jones, “Coming Kingdom”; 26:19 – 26:38. Emphasis added.
172Johnson, Heaven Invades; p 81. Emphasis added.
173Johnson, Heaven Invades; p 25. Emphasis added.
174Johnson, Release Power of Jesus; p 140. Emphasis added.
175Johnson, Clark, Essential Guide to Healing; p 147. Bold from emphasis in original; underscore added.
176Johnson, Clark, Essential Guide to Healing; p 135. Emphasis in original.
177Johnson, Bill, “Super-Natural by Nature” Charisma. June 09, 2011, online version <http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/component/content/article/1571-features/31221-super-natural-by-nature> par 13. As accessed 4/26/12.
178Eternal Vision Ministries, home page <http://www.eternalvisionministries.com>. As accessed 4/27/12.
179Eternal Vision Ministries “The Function of the Bride”, <http://www.eternalvisionministries.com/_writings/writings/10022_bride_function.html> par 4-6. Emphasis added. As accessed 4/27/12.
180“The Spirit of Ma’at” website by Asa Wulfe “Creating Heaven on Earth with Jean Adrienne”, Vol 4, No 5, n.d. <http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/dec4/adrienne.htm> par 13. As accessed 4/27/12.
181Wulfe; par 14-17. Emphasis added. As accessed 4/27/12.
182Ahn, Che “Spiritual DNA” Column: First Priority, Ministry Today; June 30, 2007, online version <http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/first-priority/15390-spiritual-dna>; par 4-8. Emphasis added.
183Humanity Healing Network website, ‘hhteam’, “Spiritual DNA”, <http://humanityhealing.net/2010/08/spiritual-dna/>; par 6-7, 15. Emphasis added. As accessed 4/27/12.
184Fresh Fire Canada website, Todd Bentley, “Supernatural Training Center” courtesy Internet Archive (the Wayback Machine),<http://web.archive.org/web/20070826155456/www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=4&pid=994>; par 3. Emphasis in original. As accessed 4/27/12.
185Fresh Fire Canada website, Todd Bentley, “Joel’s Army Internship” ‘Testimonies’, courtesy Internet Archive (the Wayback Machine), <http://web.archive.org/web/20070825050149/www.freshfire.ca/?Id=943&pid=994>; emphasis added. As accessed 4/27/12
186Age to Age Ministries, John Lewis, “DNA 2002: Divine Nature Activated” <http://www.atam.org/DNA.html>; par 1-2. Emphasis added. As accessed 4/27/12.
187Age to Age Ministries, John Lewis; par 21, 24, 32. Bold from emphasis in original; underscore added. As accessed 4/27/12
Craig,
outstanding !!! …..a home run!!!…. TKO! …anyone still thinkin ol’ Billy, Bob and Tod are just a couple’ah good ol’ boys who meant no harm?!?….well, their DNA may not be the only thing thats still “dormant”,- of course its nothing a healthy ‘ dose of Logos’ can’t cure. Again, just a phenomenal job brother, I’m positive folks will be snatched from the brink thru your labor of love thanks for providing such an in depth and articulate resource to point people to !
Tim,
If folks don’t see the many problems inherent in these teachings and recognize that these ‘teachers’ are not affirming Jesus Christ as God incarnate, then they do not have “ears to hear”. This is quite clearly a different Jesus, a different spirit, and a different gospel [II Cor 11:3-4].
Craig,
I’m still reading through this — but I wanted to point out that there is an error that I caught.
You wrote:
“This same false teaching is also in Unitarian doctrine. The following is a portion of the Unity church’s definition for “kingdom of God” in their Metaphysical Bible Dictionary which compares favorably with both the Gnostic account above and Johnson’s version of Matthew 13:”
The Unity church is not the same thing as Unitarian Universalists. I don’t think that people who go to Unity churches are called Unitarians. The name is similar, yeah, but these are two totally different groups.
One of my roommates when to a Unitarian Universalist “church,” as does my uncle. This cult was originally two separate groups that later joined together. Unitarians simply denied the Trinity, especially Jesus’ deity. Universalists didn’t believe that anyone would go to hell. The two groups merged. They tried to use Christian terminology for a long time. However, they have changed over time. It’s now more of an atheist group of people who meet together to hear about ethics or secular humanism type things. However, they do like to hear “sacred” stories about all religions so that they can take moral lessons from them. This is how my roommate described the congregation she attended. The theologically liberal “Christians” might accept them as being “Christian” in some sense. Unitarian Universalists were welcome at my graduate school, which was a seminary.
One of my other roommates tried interviewing for a position at a Unity church in the city that my grad school was in. I’d done reading on various cults, and I warned her not to go to the interview. John Shelby Spong and Bart Ehrman have spoken at the Unity Church’s national gathering (whatever it is called.) I listened to Spong’s speech on the Unity Chruch’s official website. Liberal Christians accept the Unity Church as a liberal or progressive Christian denomination. It is a New Thought/Metaphysical group. Unity Church focuses on spirituality, and I think is extremely dangerous. Spong still associates with this group. In the speech that I listened to on their website several years ago, he spoke highly of the Eddy woman and said that he hoped that the Unity version of spirituality became the future of Christianity
Unitarian Universalists and the Unity Church are two different theological cults of Christianity.
Unitarian Universalist website:
http://www.uua.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
Unity Church’s website:
http://www.unity.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Church
Just wanted to be clear on that.
And, yes, I’m very aware that John Shelby Spong and Bart Ehrman are theologically liberal Bible “scholars” who deny everything in the Bible. Spong came to my seminary and gave a speech. His talk seemed to have some holes in his thinking — he claimed that Jesus didn’t physically rise from the dead, but that it was a spiritual thing, among other heresies. He was disgusted by the doctrine of original sin and the cross of Jesus Christ. He basically said he hated it — he hated Jesus’ blood.
Later, when I found Spong’s speech that he gave to the Unity Church, his theology made a whole lot more sense — I could see the perspective by which he views Christianity. The speech that he gave to the Unity church was identical to the one he’d given at my seminary, except he added in little tid-bits where he praised the Unity Church, Eddy, New Thought, etc. Like I said before, he said that he hopes that the theology of the Unity Church becomes the future of Christianity!
So — that is what I’m seeing with theologically liberal Christians. They are denying all the essentials of our faith and replacing them with New Thought theology. They don’t openly state it except to New Thought groups. Clearly, they are trying to push the church in that direction.
It makes sense — if you empty Christianity of its real spirituality and theology, you have to replace it with something else.
In Spong’s speech to the Unity Church, he said that Bart Ehrman would speak after him…so yeah….both of them are in this together.
Could a similar phenomenon be happening in the hyper-charismatic movement–pushing New Thought demonic doctrine on the church? Absolutely.
Arwen4CJ,
I’d never heard of “Unitarian Universalists” before and used the word “Unitarian” as descriptive of the Unity Church. Thanks for bringing this forth. I’ve changed the article accordingly.
New Thought, Unity, Christian Science all were influenced by the Theosophy (Blavatsky, et al); so, Theosophy is the real root. Of course, Theosophy is rooted in 1st/2nd century Gnosticism which itself is rooted in Platonism and it’s dualistic thought.
I just have one quick question at this time. Why are you so sure that Johnson is saying that we receive the Father’s DNA at conception? I read that first quote in a bit larger context in the book and there was nothing there that made me think he meant at conception. I couldn’t find the second quote in a larger context.
This seems particularly pertinent to me since he speaks later of receiving Jesus DNA at conversion.
I am not following why you come to this conculsion at all as I don’t see that he actually says this.
cherylu,
First a question: do you see Johnson as teaching Jesus as the “rhema” ‘Word made flesh’? Then, I’ll answer your question.
Probably, yes. But I am not sure that he means that to at all refer to “The Word became flesh,” in John 1. I think he is speaking of two different things.
Now, back to my question…..
Understanding this is central to the point of this part. That is the reason why the “spiritual DNA” section comes after the lengthy discussion of Jesus as “rhema” ‘Word made flesh’ and subsequently the “Word made flesh; word made Spirit”. So, let’s discuss this first as it directly pertains to the understanding of Johnson’s teaching on “spiritual DNA”.
Given that Johnson’s claim is that the first temptation was to “question who He was” which is then followed by his explanation of Matthew 13 to ‘prove’ his assertion regarding the first temptation which is then followed by the “sperma of God” concept, why don’t you understand that this is referring to the “Word” in John 1:14?
Craig,
I simply do not have the time at the moment, (I am cooking for my hubby), to go into the reasons behind what I said. Besides, knowing how these conversations go, it would probably take 50 more comments of discussing this point!
So, for the sake of my question, I will assume you are basing what you said on the rhema word becoming flesh and being the same word as spoken of in John 1 having something to do with the answer. So going with that assumption, how are you so sure that the DNA spoken of by Johnson comes at conception?
cherylu,
It seems you tend to have a sort of myopia on some things inordinately focusing on one aspect while ignoring others. This is why I asked you the questions I have. And, by focusing on merely one thing you sometimes miss the main point, unfortunately. If you don’t ‘buy in’ to the first part for whatever the reason, I can understand your hesitation to ‘buy in’ to the rest. So then, taking just one aspect of the first section, how do you interpret the “sperma of God” concept by the context provided? I’ve provided the audio (in the footnote) which you can listen to in order to get even more context. And, keep in mind Johnson’s statement “we actually have the privilege of the Word becoming flesh in us again, where we become the living illustration and manifestation of what God is saying.”
One thing all readers should keep in mind: This is part of a much larger article. Part IIIa compared some of Johnson’s quotes to those of Levi Dowling’s popular New Age book (from 1907) The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ and noted some similarities. Also noted was how Johnson emphatically claims Jesus “DID NOT” raise Himself from the dead, contrary to John 2:19-22/10:17-18. One has to wonder why Johnson would purposely violate Scripture, especially when this particular teaching is in occult / New Age / New Spirituality doctrine.
With the foregoing in mind, this current part compares Johnson’s concept of the “sperma of God” to Levi’s “Thoughts of God” permeating all matter and that Levi’s ‘Christ’ which is the “God of Force” and “God of Thought” and through this ‘Christ’ (Word), “through the Word alone are Thought and Force made manifest“. And furthermore:
…Into the soil…these seeds, which were the Thoughts of God, were cast…and they who sowed the seeds, through Christ, ordained that they should grow…and each to be a perfection of its kind.
All the “seeds” were cast into all matter and it takes ‘Christ’, to make them grow with ‘Christ’ alone who makes “Thought” and “Force” manifest.
Craig,
I will listen to the audio when I have the opportunity. However, being a weekend and my hubby being home, I don’t know when that will happen. It isn’t always something that works well to do when he is at home.
You say I have a form of myopia and focus on one thing and miss the rest. Well, it seems to me that you have a different affliction–you are so intent on what you see as the big picture, that you don’t really look at all of the details that make up that picture. You tend to seem to relegate many of them to the “irrelevant” or “he is just being duplicitous” bin.
A case in point being the quotes I provided last night in the other thread. In regards to one of them, Johnson said that Jesus set aside the privleges of his divinity. Not that He laid aside His divinity. He also clearly spoke of Jesus receiving worship as God and God being well pleased. Shouldn’t those things, along with the growing numbers of times he has stated very bluntly that Jesus was eternally God or never stopped being God be taken into consideration as having a bearing on his overall beliefs and possibly even explaining some of the rest of what he has said? But you simply seem to write them off and make the other statements the end-alls for what he believes. Of course, continuing to accuse him of deceit/duplicity as you do so.
And very frankly, an article such as this one that is full of “doesn’t that sound a lot like,” “Is Johnson saying the same thing as,” or “it is likely, even probably the same thing as,” etc, etc, etc, is just way too full of speculations and assumptions to be at all convincing in my mind. And some of the connections you draw don’t even seem to follow to me at all. The most notable one being the references to reincarnation. I thought you were really reaching when you brought it up the first time. This time I am just left shaking my head and going, “huh?”
One more quick thought on the issue of Jesus raising Himself from the dead. I don’t remember how it is justified if I ever knew. But I do know that, as with other issues, JB is not the only one that “has gone to the trouble to teach this.” I have heard it taught myself. I don’t know how widespread this teaching is, but it is definitely something that is out there in the charismatic or WoF branch of the church.
cherylu, what do you think Bill Johnson meant when he said Jesus “did not raise Himself” from the dead?
cherylu,
I have quite a few of Johnson’s books. I’ve painstakingly transcribed audio/video, which itself helps drill in my mind what he is teaching. I state all of this to indicate that I’ve analyzed his material, some of which is orthodox, some of which isn’t. To filter a few orthodox statements through his unorthodox ones is exactly what he’d like you to do. He literalizes metaphors and metaphorizes the literal. His duplicity is evident right in the audio containing the ‘born again Jesus’ statement as I point out in the last few paragraphs of the first section. Given that, and his obvious deception with regard to the Liardon library, why would you be surprised if Johnson is duplicitous elsewhere?
How do you equate “setting aside privileges of His divinity” with “Jesus emptied Himself of divinity”. I’m pretty certain there’s no other definition for “emptied”. And, since Johnson claims Jesus “set aside the privileges of His divinity” it seems he’s defined divinity as per orthodoxy, does it not? That’s contrary to your continued assertion Johnson may mean something different.
As usual, you fail to take into consideration that Johnson states quite clearly that Jesus didn’t even receive the title of Christ until the dove rested upon him:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-christ-anointing-and-the-antichrist-spirit/
This indicates Jesus was not God at the Virgin Birth and, in other Johnson quotes, Jesus was only God by virtue of “the anointing”.
The “doesn’t this sound like” is stated for the mere fact that it LOOKS like the other doctrines; but, I can’t know for sure if this is what he intends. One should wonder why he uses terms and concepts foreign to the Bible yet found in occult literature.
cherylu,
Once again, you miss the point. It doesn’t matter if anyone has taught that Jesus DID NOT raise Himself from the dead. The question is why Johnson teaches this in direct violation of Scripture. I’ve already pointed out that the concept is in occult literature which means Johnson didn’t invent it.
Johnson violates quite a bit of Scripture in his teachings and yet, while you do state there are some things wrong with Johnson, you seem to make excuses for him as if the fact that he’s not the only one teaching this particular doctrine provides a good excuse and/or a good reason to claim that he’s not doing this on purpose.
I admit there are SOME things wrong with Johnson?? As I think you know, that is the understatement of the year!
And, once again, the reason that I point out that Johnson isn’t the only one teaching this is to say that there are other charismatics/WoF people that believe and teach the same thing. The likely hood that this belief comes from his own circles of church people would be a very strong possibility I would think.
I don’t know for sure why Johnson teaches this. I reckon it is because it fits so well with the “Jesus is our model” theology that the charismatic and WoF churches all push so strongly. But I don’t know either if they are doing it “in direct violation of Scripture” as they understand it. I would like to know what they do with those verses. But like I said, I don’t remember if I ever knew. And I haven’t found any info on line directly pertaining to this issue either.
So then, taking just one aspect of the first section, how do you interpret the “sperma of God” concept by the context provided? I’ve provided the audio (in the footnote) which you can listen to in order to get even more context.
I had a few minutes and was going to listen to that audio. But I don’t think I am finding the one you mean. Can you give me the link here?
cherylu,
You wrote, “the reason that I point out that Johnson isn’t the only one teaching this is to say that there are other charismatics/WoF people that believe and teach the same thing. The likely hood that this belief comes from his own circles of church people would be a very strong possibility I would think.”
Exactly. And that’s precisely why I quote some of Johnson’s admitted “friends” in order to show what they teach as a way to sort of ‘fill in the gaps’ in what Johnson omits. He may not state outrightly that we have the Father’s DNA at conception; but, his “friends” Che Ahn and Bob Jones do. New Agers do so. Then, why would we think Johnson’s version is different when he uses similar terminology and the same concept? His “sperma of God” teaching infers it.
OK, here’s John 2:19-22:
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them;[a] and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said. [NKJV]
I don’t see how this can be interpreted any other way except that Jesus raised Himself from the dead. Here’s John 10:17-18:
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” [NKJV]
Clearly, Jesus says that He Himself will raise Himself through His own omnipotent power.
To my knowledge, Johnson never does expound on the above Scriptures. But, he does proof-text a portion of John 5:19 (“The Son can do nothing…”) in teaching his kenosis which is actually quite the opposite of the context of the passage which states, essentially, that Jesus does not act independently of the Father, but rather WITH the Father. He even “gives life to whom He chooses” like the Father [5:21] in the then present [5:24-25] which illustrates Jesus Christ did, in fact, use His “divine prerogatives”, His inherent divinity/deity, in hypostatic union.
To put it succinctly, Johnson twists, ignores, and adds to Scripture toward his own ends. Whether he copies someone else in doing so is beside the point.
The audio is right here [footnote 129]:
http://ewenhuffman.podbean.com/2009/12/23/jesus-is-our-model-sermon-of-the-week-20-dec-09/
You can follow the footnote references with the applicable times.
It doesn’t matter if a person like BJ is orthodox sometimes…the Scripture says.
In John 2 KJV
5And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John NIV
4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
In either version of preference… the warning is to the one who is making allowances for deceivers and transgressors. We cannot have it both ways. And if someone is denying the deity of Christ, we are to have nothing to do with him or any of his teachings. We are to warn a divisive person once then again. After that we are to have nothing to do with them. Titus 3:10
I understand BJ is denying the deity at the incarnation of Christ.
I don’t have to read anything else. It’s settled for me. He is a false teacher. Doesn’t matter if he’s said ten thousand things that agree with orthodoxy…if I condone a false teacher, I will be in danger of sharing in his wicked work and losing what I have worked for.
cherylu:
In an above post I asked, “what do you think Bill Johnson meant when he said Jesus ‘did not raise Himself’ from the dead?”
You replied with, “I don’t know for sure why Johnson teaches this. I reckon it is because it fits so well with the ‘Jesus is our model’ theology that the charismatic and WoF churches all push so strongly. But I don’t know either if they are doing it ‘in direct violation of Scripture’ as they understand it. I would like to know what they do with those verses. But like I said, I don’t remember if I ever knew. And I haven’t found any info on line directly pertaining to this issue either.”
Consider the following: Why does Bill Johnson teach that Jesus did not raise Himself from the dead? The Bible informs us that false teachers resist the truth and are destitute of the truth (2 Timothy 3:8; 1 Timothy 6:5). God reads the minds of men, and knows what motivates them to say what they say. Johnson may never reveal “why” he teaches falsely, but God knows, and He will deal with Johnson in due time.
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus raised Himself from the dead. For whatever reason, Bill Johnson denies it. Therefore, he is not only in “direct violation of Scripture,” he denies the very words of Jesus. To deny Jesus’ words is to call Him a liar.
Christians are called to be “fruit” inspectors, not mind-readers. We are to concern ourselves with what God teaches, as opposed to what false teachers say. Throughout the Bible, God is against false teachers. Unless they repent and become born again, they will go to hell (2 Peter 2:1-2). Bill Johnson’s “fruit” is rotten to the core–not because I say it–but because God says it, and He teaches us how to inspect Johnson’s “fruit” in Matthew 7:15-20.
Bill Johnson is the “senior pastor” of Bethel church. He claims to receive divine revelations from God. If this were true, Johnson would not deny Jesus’ words. God will not contradict His word by telling Johnson something totally different. We can discuss the in’s and out’s, and look for reasons “why” until we pass-out from sheer exhaustion. But the answer to “why” Johnson teaches falsely is within the pages of God’s written word.
Finally, all we have to do is chill-out, submit to and trust in God’s word as our ultimate and final authority, and leave the things that we can’t comprehend to God. To do the opposite is to doubt Scripture, lean to our own understanding, dwell in confusion, and enable Bill Johnson.
Cheryl, I love you in Christ. I hope this helps.
Bud Press, Research Consultant,
Christian Research Service
Acts 20:27-31
Craig, the quotes speak for themselves. We are not the ones who have to prove anything…rather,we are to compare their twisted teachings with Scripture and test the spirits. I think BJ and his prophets of Baal have to do the proving. I’d love to hear him and his comrades retract their New Age teachings, but I won’t hold my breath. The more I read, the more I see a steady departure from the simple truth of God’s Word…from a waiting for the hope that we were promised. They have a determination to bring heaven and the Manifested sons of god to earth and set up a kingdom on earth, a dominion, with a hierarchy of apostles to rule it, imparting Christ consciousness through strange teachings like the latest about DNA and “infusing the sperma of God”. And this, leading into the standard, panentheistic divinity that shapes the basis of what the Bible describes as the kingdom of antichrist.
Instead we are encouraged by the Truth to wait for God’s timing
1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
and to look up! Our redemption is near!!
1 Thessalonians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Peter 4:6-8 (King James Version)
7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
8And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Carolyn/all:
One of the benefits of WordPress sites is their stats page which provides a number of useful statistics one of which is search terms used to arrive at the site. Many times they are interesting in and of themselve and at other times they’ve actually helped me to make connections I’ve not made before. Today is one such: “release the power of jesus pg 72″.
In looking at the larger context, I find this on page 71:
Our job is to learn how to release the reality and power of Testimony in the same way Jesus did. Jesus represented God much differently than the Ark of the Testimony represented Him. There is a significant difference between a box of inanimate objects that points to spiritual realities and a living testimony that interacts with and manifests those realities. [emphasis added]
I’ve already pointed out that Johnson appears to have a definition for reality which looks like Kenyon’s which in turn looks like that of Theosophy – a doctrine called maya in Brahmanism in which the spiritual realm is ‘real’ while the physical realm is not:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/learning-etymology-with-bill-johnson-a-new-age-repentance/
Johnson earlier [p 70] makes the point that we are now the temple of the Holy Spirit with the Holy of Holies residing in us. So then, like Jesus had done, we can release reality by providing “a living testimony that interacts with and manifests those realities.” On page 72, Johnson states:
The very word testimony in Hebrew comes from a root word that means “to repeat, to do again.” [emphasis in orig]
Johnson continues stating we are to repeat what Jesus did in ‘word and deed’:
…When we declare the testimonies of the Lord…we are putting a demand on Heaven for that covenant to be renewed and demonstrated in the present as it was in the past.
Does he mean creating ‘Heaven on earth’ as it was in the Garden of Eden like New Age/occult thought? Continuing on:
…[P]utting this demand on Heaven is exactly what God wants us to do…because in doing so we create an atmosphere and an opportunity for Him to do again what He had done. Just as Jesus did, we are to create a context for His presence within us to be released to those around us through the declaration of the testimony.
…When we declare the testimonies of God to people, we are setting them up to meet God in the same way we are declaring. This is a powerful reality…If we are going to fulfill our role in the covenant relationship, we must learn to keep the testimony, and in doing so learn to release His power to the world around us. [pp 72-73; emphasis in orig]
So, using the analysis in “The Word Becoming Spirit” section of this article, we are to impart the etheric, panentheistic realm just like Jesus did since He also was the temple of the Holy Spirit with the Holy of Holies inside Him. Is this in partnership with Bailey’s “Spiritual Hierarchy”?
For many years the “Holy Spirit”/anointing has been a force,a substance, a whatever in hypercharismatic and WoF circles. He (or what was usually referred to as “the anointing”) has been blown out of people’s mouths, sucked from an imaginary straw in the middle of a group of people, thrown like a ball, wafted across the room with pillows, poured out of a violin onto someones else, passed from person to person by touch or even by looking at someone else. And those are all ones I have seen myself in my years there or heard the folks that were around me at that time talk about. (All of that was part of what caused me to “run for the hills”.)
Is all of this that Johnson talks about the “next step” in all of this, or is it something else altogether?
I think this is working towards ‘the next step’. As the deception grows deeper, more and more folks will blindly follow along. If my analysis is correct in “The Word Becoming Spirit” section, then more and more people will become increasingly “soul-controlled”, or, in other words, demon-possessed for the unconverted and demon-oppressed for the Christian.
I remember vividly reading the following on Todd Bentley’s now-defunct Fresh Fire Canada site 4 years ago:
From time to time Todd will have weekly associate ministries and friends blast you in the Holy Ghost
Can we really ‘blast’ someone in/with ‘the Holy Ghost’?
This is still available courtesy of Internet Archive / The Wayback Machine (referenced in footnote 185):
http://web.archive.org/web/20070825050149/www.freshfire.ca/?Id=943&pid=994
It’s under the “Discipleship” heading. How appropriate.
Bud,
Thanks for your further explanation.
To all,
As you know I agree that Johnson has departed from the truth in many ways and teaches many very serious errors.
I don’t think I would have the problem with this issue that I have had though if both sides of what he teaches were brought out. He has said that Jesus is eternally God several times while in the same breath as saying that He laid His divinity aside. He has said that He imposed limitations on Himself and He has said that He chose not to exercise the privileges of His divinity. (And yes, that does sound like he uses the word divinity in the way we usually understand it.) When questioned on FB twice he has said that He is eternally God, that never changed, and he never stopped being God. To only present one side of the issue to the readership stating that this is what he believes and teaches seems quite biased and unfair to me. It seems to me that in all fairness and to present an accurate picture, both types of quotes need to be dealt with.
After all, what happens when someone reads these articles asserting this is what he believes and teaches and then they come across his statements to the contrary in his books, articles or on FB? Are they really going to think that these articles present an accurate and unbiased picture? We do need to present all of the facts when drawing conclusions, or possible conclusions on a matter.
I agree that teaching even once that He was not God at the incarnation is a very serious thing, (if that is even what he intended to teach.) I don’t think anyone here has at all denied that he is a false teacher. BUT, the whole scope of his teachings do need to be taken into consideration and dealt with seriously and fairly when talking about him and where he is coming from.
I hope that helps clarify my concerns.
Craig, Thanks for adding in the correction in the paragraph regarding the Unity Church
Yes, the New Thought (Unity, Christian Science, etc.) cults all came from Theosophy.
People like Spong are actively trying to bring this into the liberal part of the church. These same ideas seem to be coming through the hyper-charismatic part of the church as well. I think it is only in this kind of New Thought/Theosophy that the two groups will meet. It might be only then that some people in the church will realize that much of the church has become apostate.
cherylu,
I do believe you’ve made your point. I also believe others here have expressed their points of view. I agree with the majority view as expressed on here: Johnson’s statements of orthodoxy really don’t matter when he states many others which flatly contradict those. Furthermore, when his other teachings look more like occult teachings than Christianity we must keep in mind that occult literature by very nature mixes truth with false and puts forth contradictions.
Given that you’ve made your point, I’m going to ask you to cease from this line of thought on here as it’s a distraction from the more important things brought forth in these articles.
Arwen4CJ,
Spong is less of an academic and therefore in some ways less of a threat than Ehrman as I see it.
The “spiritual DNA” teachings are prevalent in the hyper-charismatic wing as well as the “emergent church” both or which are largely, if not wholly, apostate. There’s been some convergence between the two; and, you may be correct that when both camps fully converge the Church at large will realize the gravity and scope of the apostasy.
Interestingly, I just ‘stumbled’ across the following a bit ago. In an Alice Bailey book I’ve started to read a while ago but later abandoned because it didn’t seem to have any immediately useful material, I ‘happened’ to open it at a certain page. Here’s a portion:
…The Hindus teach that the human soul [aka "spirit"] is a portion of an immutable Principle, the Soul of the World, the Anima Mundi, the all pervading Ether (Akasa) of space. This Ether is simply the conductor of certain types of energy and serves as the inter-relating medium between essential spirit and tangible matter. [The Soul and Its Mechanism, (c) 1965 by Lucis Trust (1930; 6th prtg, 1973), Fort Orange Press, Albany, NY; p 75]
In viewing wiki (see hyperlink above) on “Anima Mundi” we see the idea originated with Plato and Neoplatonism.
Craig, in you post Carolyn/all:
“Johnson continues stating we are to repeat what Jesus did in ‘word and deed’:
…When we declare the testimonies of the Lord…we are putting a demand on Heaven for that covenant to be renewed and demonstrated in the present as it was in the past.
Does he mean creating ‘Heaven on earth’ as it was in the Garden of Eden like New Age/occult thought? Continuing on:
…[P]utting this demand on Heaven is exactly what God wants us to do”
Is it really? What saith the Word?
Where does it say that God has to meet the demands we make on Heaven to fulfill a fictitious covenant? We are not in a covenant with God…we are redeemed – he does not depend on us to make the heavens declare the glory of God – he has already done it. Our job is to believe in the One he has sent and to declare HIS redemption to the world.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Transferring the power of heaven to earth from God to man is a New Age/Satanic deception. You find the finger of God touching the finger of man in Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel painting portraying the idea of transference of power. As above so below. Also when ET puts his glowing finger to Elliot’s forehead and says, “I will be right here”, it is a transference of heaven to earth, of the extra terrestrial connecting with the divine in the human.
The whole thing about the teachings of the NAR prophets is a transference of heavenly powers to earthly beings. As in heaven so in earth and most emphatically! this is not Biblical Christianity. It is going beyond what is written. It is seeking to use the occult (hidden) powers where we become the ascended masters, where we brandish the source of power, as Benny Hinn waves his jacket like a magic wand and where we “make our demands on heaven because the heavenly, divine energy has been imparted to us. Now as we, as equals with Christ can impart the divine to others. Blasphemy!!
As you said:
“So, using the analysis in “The Word Becoming Spirit” section of this article, we are to impart the etheric, panentheistic realm just like Jesus did since He also was the temple of the Holy Spirit with the Holy of Holies inside Him. Is this in partnership with Bailey’s “Spiritual Hierarchy”?”
Yes, as Christian’s Christ remains the head and we are the body. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. We obey Him. Whereas, in New Age and Occult…the Spirit is the energy that we make obey us. Using similar language with vastly different origins the NAR prophets are fulfilling the spiritual hierarchy Bailey speaks of.
Carolyn,
Absolutely! To be fair and complete, I should have included the fact that Johnson referenced Jeremiah 31:31-34. The new covenant Jeremiah refers to here was the NT with Jesus’ Atonement fulfilling the Mosaic Law. However, that does not match Johnson’s proof-text (as usual) as He’s making an entirely different unorthodox point. We NEVER make demands on Heaven; but, as you point it, this is the sort of thing done in the occult (like ritual magick).
Sandy Simpson at Deception in the Church made the connection to panentheism back in 2004:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/newpantheism.html
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Craig: This DNA teaching is getting closer to the secret knowledge that Masons have been keeping to themselves down through the centuries; that of the inevitable introduction of a third strand of DNA into the human genetic code in order to make the leap into becoming gods with immortal souls. Tap into the Wisdom of the Ages (Bob Jones) in our DNA and we have the third strand…and the good news is that it is…. already there!!!
NewAger – Adrienne: [I]f additional strands are activated, we awaken new abilities, gifts, and powers that have been dormant…Perhaps our DNA could be a ladder into the Fifth Dimension…180
Bob Jones: …Everyone of you, when you were conceived in your mother’s womb, a spirit of God came into you. It’s your human spirit which is your conscience. When this came into you, this spirit was as mature as it’ll ever be because this spirit came from God. And, this is what’s been guiding your life – your conscience, your human spirit. Man is six things. He’s mind, will, and emotions. He is human spirit, Holy Spirit and Wisdom of the Ages. What happens if you begin to tap into the Wisdom of the Ages? In that little bitty God sperm seed – 1st Peter 1:23 is all the Wisdom of the Ages. That genetic thing – you have authority over DNA…169
NA – Human Healing Network: …Activating your dormant DNA, which in time will also give you access to the secrets and mysteries of which you are and what your life-purpose is, will allow you to realize your full potential here on Earth.183
Che Ahn: No longer do I see the fruit of the Spirit as something we “will” by self-effort or following the law. Rather, I see that in my DNA, God has already placed genes of love, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. They are waiting to be activated by the Holy Spirit.182
BJ: God is our Father, and we inherit His genetic code [at conception]. Every believer has written into his or her spiritual DNA [activated by the “sperma of God”] the desire for the supernatural….172
Todd Bentley: Christ wants us to know Him intimately by the power of the Holy Spirit and to catch His vision for our lives. His desire is to build godly character into our DNA – Divine Nature Activated….184
NewAger – Lewis: One will only be able to fulfill the Divine purpose when he is walking in awareness of his own divinity. It is our belief system that hinders us from being the Gods we are…187
BJ: …we live with such ignorance of what we possess. I pray…that the ongoing revelation of God would come upon us as a people to discover what He has already been imparted to us; so that we can reasonably pursue the increase in what we’re lacking, what we’re missing…the real issue is that we live in ignorance of what has already been deposited into our lives.151
As I read through this section once again, I saw more clearly how these people are all saying the same thing. Our “divine within” needs to be activated by becoming conscious of what we actually possess. We have the seed of God. Our spiritual DNA needs to be acknowledged In order to manifest Christ on earth. The ability to do so lies in our knowledge (gnosis). If we stay ignorant, we will never activate our potential.
The NAR prophets are teaching levels of ascendency through ever increasing awareness of our potential for being the manifestation of Christ on earth…of seeing our own divinity. Prove me wrong. If this isn’t New Age through and through…I’m a monkey and Evolution is true.
I believe this teaching about spiritual DNA is all preparation for a real physical biogenic manipulation that is coming. It will promise increased consciousness of spiritual dimensions and possession of abilities never before imagined. Perhaps the mark of the beast??? The storm clouds are approaching…
Carolyn,
The similarities are striking, arent’ they? At the minimum, we have to wonder why any Christian would adopt terminology from occult/New Age teaching. Harmless metaphors? Not when the explanations themselves resemble the occult/esoteric teachings.
Bill Johnson is a bit more reserved in his explanation of DNA and spiritual DNA; but, if you take the rest of what is posted here and see how his ‘friends’ explain it, the message is pretty clear. I thought this phrase was interesting:
…If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain… [exerpt from quote at footnote 153]
Is this like Jones’ question “…What happens if you begin to tap into the Wisdom of the Ages?”
Yes, I do believe you are correct that this hyper-charismaticism is New Age/occult. I do believe as time goes on it will prove to be more overtly. This ‘evolution’ is what former US Vice Presidential candidate Barbara Marx Hubbard calls the next phase of human development – into homo universalis. We will move collectively from homo sapiens to homo universalis, or ‘universal human’. We will learn to be ‘co-creators’ – something else Jones speaks of in his ‘sermon’ “The Coming Kingdom” (although he just says those special ones will be able to create, not ‘co-create’):
http://www.shareguide.com/Hubbard.html
Thanks, Craig, for all your research and for discerning the “new age” core of these blasphemous teachings. It’s beyond sad that so many (supposedly) born-again people believe these false teachers. So few really study their Bibles. If they believe this malarkey they certainly aren’t hearing the Voice of The True Shepherd, Who laid down His Life for the sheep. Thanks for these informative articles. Stand firm, Precious Brother, as we see the day of the LORD approaching! God Bless you & your fellow watchmen. ~Brenda
You know, this speaking things into existence reminds me of Dutch Sheets’ teaching on birthing something in the spirit realm. The pastor of the church that I left preached a sermon about Elijah praying after his confrontation with the false prophets. The pastor claimed that Elijah was in a birthing position, and had to birth something in the spirit realm. The pastor used to attend Dutch Sheets’ church, and plugged Dutch Sheets book on intercessory prayer in the same sermon.
Anyway, the pastor claimed that Jesus and others did the same thing — that they “had” to birth something into existence in the spiritual realm. (In other words, by praying, they were doing something in the supernatural realm that allowed for something to happen in the physical realm.) The pastor took all kinds of passages out of context, including Jesus praying in the garden before He was betrayed.
This speaking something into existence, whether in prayer or whatever — is really dangerous, and is really getting pervasive.
In other words, by praying, they were doing something in the supernatural realm that allowed for something to happen in the physical realm.
This is the occult “as above, so below” ideology used in ritual magick.
It’s all about “the anointing”.
Oh, and I should add that the pastor said that this birthing something in the spirit realm is co-creating.
Also, that Abraham-HIcks New Ager/channeler teaches that we are co-creators through our thoughts. Our thoughts make reality.
They expect to ‘birth the man-child’, the ‘corporate Christ’. See my comment above at 6:35am about Barbara Marx Hubbard for her view on ‘co-creating’.
Yes, there is no doubt that there is occult teachings and practices going on in the hyper-charismatic world.
OH, and regarding the ‘doing something in the supernatural to affect the natural’, keep this Alice Bailey quote in mind:
Instruction is being given at this time to a special group of people who have come into incarnation at this critical period of world’s history. They have come in, all at the same time, throughout the world, to do the work of linking up the two planes, the physical and the astral, via the etheric.
yes, it makes you wonder why they and the gods of Thought and Force are using particular words like “released”, “the air we breath” “releasing into the atmosphere” and using terms like “realm” or “kingdom/kings domain”
your above quote “…If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain… [exerpt from quote at footnote 153]”
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Barmes Notes: “Robinson (Lexicon) supposes it to be because he is lord of the powers of the air; that is, of the demons who dwell and rule in the atmosphere. So Doddridge supposes that it means that he controls the fallen spirits who are permitted to range the regions of the atmosphere. It is generally admitted that the apostle here refers to the prevailing opinions both among the Jews and pagan, that the air was thickly populated with spirits or demons. That this was a current opinion, may be seen fully proved in Wetstein; compare Bloomfield, Grotius, and particularly Koppe. Why the region of the air was supposed to be the dwelling-place of such spirits, is now unknown. The opinion may have been either that such spirits “dwelt” in the air, or that they had control over it, according to the later Jewish belief. Cocceius and some others explain the word “air” here as meaning the same as “darkness,” as in profane writers. It is evident to my mind that Paul does not speak of this as a mere tradition, opinion, or vagary of the fancy, or as a superstitious belief: but that he refers to it as a thing which he regarded as true. In this opinion I see no absurdity that should make it impossible to believe it”
The Word identifies these atmospheric spirits who dwell among us in the 5th dimension. They are longing for the day when they can physically manifest as “sons of god” and turn this planet into the kingdom of this world, the domain of Satan. The dragon and the demonic spirits will take charge and take possession of rebellious souls who do not want anything to do with God.
There is one breath that will not originate from Satanic sources. And that is the one that will overthrow his kingdom:
2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
I don’t think it’s just the man-child that they are applying this language to. They are also using it the same way that some use positive confession. They actually believe they can make stuff happen by praying or speaking or whatever.
Ultimately, yes, the man-child is what they would “birth,” but that isn’t something that all of them would subscribe to. From what I’ve seen, people are accepting these things on a continuum. Once they start accepting a little of the teaching, they start accepting more.
And this is the final end of their “king’s domain”, of Satan’s realm and demonic gods of Force:
Revelation 11:15
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Hallelujah!!! Can’t wait for that day!
Good stuff as always Craig. This one is hard to read cause the twisting is so clearly there and gives me a strong reaction to it that just have hard time reading it over.
Cheryl- God creates us each with gifts. Big picture, detail oriented. Keep working through things. Examine this further.
Arwen: I was going to say a few things about the Rhema versus the Logos. The Rhema captivated me for many years. It was idolatry.
You will love this doctrine of demons if you are wanting to get control over your environment. If you can follow a law of attraction or if you can know a secret that can bring success, if you can make the elements and nature obey you…why suffer? why be poor?, why do you need discipline? why read the Word?…it’s old school. No, we lust for power. We can bypass the objective truth of God, in fact we can bypass God…you don’t have to ask him for anything…you can demand, you can command the heavens….because you now have the ability yourself to speak the Rhema Word. You have God’s seed within you, the male sperma of God…the divine Y chromosome and if you speak the word…the universe, the atmosphere, the cosmos has to obey. The doctrines of speaking the Rhema have progressed into physical manifestations of glory walking, astro travel speaking with angels on a daily basis, etc. And according to Scripture, the Rhema manifestations will get even more impressive.
The Logos, as Craig pointed out…remains the same. He never changes. God has laid our his plan from eternity and we cannot change it by our subjective heresies. If we listen to his objective truth, it is not about me and what I can do or say, it is about Him, the Logos, the [edited/corrected] inspired Word of God. He has spoken and he will bring it to pass. Our mission, should be accept it, is to believe, trust and obey the Logos.
Carolyn,
I think that the very purpose of prayer has changed in the minds of some hyper-charismatics. I don’t think that they think of it as asking God for anything, but rather as a means of connecting with God so that they can make things happen.
Yes, I think that you are right that much of this hyper-charismatic doctrine is about control over your environment.
Arwen -purpose of prayer have changed, yes. As per Johnson:
“God is our Father, and we inherit His genetic code [at conception]. Every believer has written into his or her spiritual DNA [activated by the “sperma of God”] the desire for the supernatural….172
It is abnormal for a Christian not to have an appetite for the impossible. It has been written into our spiritual DNA [activated by the “sperma of God”] to hunger for the impossibilities around us to bow at the name of Jesus.173″
When you have extra-biblical references, you have extra-biblical purposes. Christ taught us to pray…Our Father…give us this day…deliver us from evil….forgive us our trespasses…
The NAR prophets propose that we are to desire for the supernatural, hunger for the impossibilities…
There was an earlier comment suggesting a tenuous connection with these teachings and the doctrine of reincarnation. Here’s Bob Jones’ statement:
…Everyone of you, when you were conceived in your mother’s womb, a spirit of God came into you. It’s your human spirit which is your conscience. When this came into you, this spirit was as mature as it’ll ever be because this spirit came from God…
I think everyone would agree that Jones is stating that at conception everyone in his audience would have “a spirit of God” ‘come into them. Since no one is conceived as a Christian, logically, Jones would seem to be applying this concept to everyone, all humans. By his phraseology, we would have to deduce this spirit is literally a part of God Himself since it’s “as mature as it’ll ever be because this spirit came from God.”
Does God die? Of course not. Therefore, this “spirit that came into you” “when you were conceived in your mother’s womb” is immortal/eternal. Given that this concept is NOT Biblical but matches well with the occult doctrine of reincarnation, I think it is safe to assume reincarnation. Since this is part of Jones’ “God sperm seed” concept which sounds like Johnson’s “sperma of God” concept, I think it safe to assume Johnson is propounding reincarnation as well.
The doctrine of reincarnation is essential to the occult/esoteric manifested sons of God doctrine which includes the belief that any progress a soul/spirit achieves in one lifetime carries over to the next. It’s cumulative. According to occult / New Age doctrine, even Jesus Himself didn’t attain to manifested sons of God in one incarnation. He was incarnated multiple times before He attained this status and He had already achieved the second (of five) initiations by the time He incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth. And, since “Jesus is our model” according to the occult / New Age, we cannot realistically expect to attain MSoG in merely one life.
Moreover, it makes sense that as time marches on these souls, given the accumulation of time, will have progressed up the spiritual ladder as well. Therefore this doctrine fits in logically with the rest of Latter Rain teachings including an army of “super Christians” who will transcend physical boundaries being in their glorified bodies because they’ve progressed so.
This ‘sperma of God’ teaching does away with man’s sinful nature and the need for Jesus as the lamb of God Who came and died on the cross to pay for our sin. I guess this is why they no longer preach on sin and the gospel of salvation…only the gospel of the kingdom on earth now – and the ability to do the supernatural signs and wonders.
I know they have spoken of everything returning to the way it was in the Garden of Eden before the fall…it sounds like they are preaching what was preached in the garden – ‘you will be like god’. Definitely doctrines of demons.
What?? It seems I have made an error. I said Logos…”spoken word”….should read “inspired word” to clarify who the word originates with….man or God.
I’ll edit the comment.
Mary,
And New Agers also teach that the “kingdom of God” will be just like the Garden of Eden pre-Fall. New Age belief is that the Garden of Eden was not a physical place but rather a spiritual state from which mankind fell. We have the power to reattain that position through ‘evolution’ – becoming homo universalis, virtual gods.
Mary,
I wanted to come back to your comment at 10:31 on 05/01 and state that you’re, of course, correct with your thought/reasons about the Gospel not being preached in favor of the ‘gospel of the Kingdom’. The ‘spiritual DNA’ teaching essentially is the same as the occult concept of all humans having a dual nature – one human (of course) and one latent divine nature. Awakening the extra ‘spiritual DNA’ by the “sperma of God” (“the ‘rhema’ Word) IS the means of salvation. So, the orthodox Christian meaning of the Atonement effected by the Cross in virtue of the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Savior is superfluous.
In the occult, it is replaced by Jesus’ life providing a symbolic pattern for all to follow. We “die to self”, i.e., we replace the lower human nature with the divine as we progress forward. This ‘dying to self’ is NOT the same as the Christian ‘picking up our cross daily’; it’s overcoming our human nature by actualizing our divine, our own godhood. Once fully actualized, the human nature is no longer. This will be discussed further in part IV.
Oh….I just came across this website that talks about kundalini — it sounds identical to what is going on in the hyper-charismatic churches:
http://www.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/kundalini-manifestations.htm
Some characteristic symptoms of the awakened kundalini are here given below from Mahayoga Vijãna, a treatise on the subject in Hindi by Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja, the author’s revered guru. They are illustrative and by no means exhaustive:-
When throbbing of mooladhar begins, the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak (filling in of the lungs with air) starts beyond control, breath is forcibly exhaled out, without volition deep inhaling and exhaling of breath starts and the body gets uncontrollable, know then that Kundalini has awakened. You then should give up your assertion and sit witnessing what happens.
When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions, semen passes out, think that the Kundalini Shakti has become active.
When your posture becomes fixed, uddiyan, jalendhar, and moolbandhas come involuntarily, your tongue reverts back or rises up towards the soft palate and the whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still, your hands and legs stretch out forcibly, you ought to know that the Divine power of the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
When your posture becomes fixed and sight is attracted toward the middle point of eyebrows, the eyeballs begin to revolve, you get automatic kewal-kumbhak, cessation of breath comes with no effort for inhaling or exhaling and the mind becomes vacant, void of all outward knowledge, understand that Mahãmãyã the first born Shakti, the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
When you feel currents of Prãna rising up your cerebrum within you, automatic repetition of Aum starts and the mind experiences waves after waves of blissful beatitude, think the Universal Mother Kundalini has come into action.
When different kinds of Nãd become audible, in your spinal column you experience vibrations, feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body, everything looks vacant, your eyelids become closed and open not in spite of your efforts, electric-like currents seem flowing up and down the nerves and you have convulsions, know that Mahãmãyã Kundalini has come into action.
When with the closing of eyelids your body falls to the ground, or begins to rotate like a grinding stone and breath comes not out, the body squatted on floor crosslegged begins to jump from place to place like a frog, or moves from place to place, or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired, you feel contraction of nerves, you feel as if your life is passing away, the body undergoes convulsions like a dying fish, know that Yogamaya Kundalini has come into action.
When your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body and under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed, without the least pain or fatigue and you feel increasingly buoyant, and simultaneously strange sort of breathing exercises start, think that the Divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
When no sooner you have sat with eyes closed than in an instant the body begins to show activity of throwing out limbs forcibly, deformed sounds are loudly uttered, your speech begins to utter sounds like those of animals, birds and frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs, tigers, fear inspiring and not pleasing to hear, understand that the Great Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
When you feel vibrations of prana at different stations inside your body and feel its flow wherever you fix your attention and nerves begin to show easy jerks like jerks of electricity as if passing through them, know that the Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
When all day and night you feel within your body some activity of prana and whenever you concentrate your mind, your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times, even when at call of nature, even during sleep you feel currents of prãna rising up in your sahasrãr and even in dreams you experience Her presence, know that the joy-inspiring Kundalini has come into action.
As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake and in ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily, your hands giving a rhythmical clapping, and you pronounce languages you know not, but the sound ecstasizes your mind, know that the Goddess of speech, Saraswati, has awakened into action.
When you feel intoxicated without taking any drug, while walking your steps fall majestically or like one drunk and you are unable to do any other work and you like to remain mute and dislike speaking to or hearing others and you feel like one drunk of Divinity, know that your Atma Shakti Kundalini, the power of Self, has come into action.
While walking, when your mind is filled with an impulse to walk faster and your feet begin to move a running, you feel your body light like air and do not feel fatigued even having walked long enough, you feel buoyant and joyful, you are not unhappy even in dreams, you can keep the balance of your mind undisturbed in all ups and downs, and you acquire an inexhaustible energy for work, know that the Brahma Shakti Kundalini has come into action.
When you are in meditation you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind, have divine smells, see divine figures, feel divine tastes, hear divine sounds and experience divine touch and receive instructions from Gods, then understand that the divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
When you are in meditation, future unfolds its secrets to you or the hidden meaning of scriptures, Vedas and Vedãnta shine in your understanding, all doubts vanish, you acquire an insight into the abstruse meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance, you acquire strange powers of oratory and feel not the need of approaching even Brahma, the creator himself, for knowledge and you acquire self-confidence, understand then that Kundalini the bestower of siddhis (occult powers) has come into action.
When seated for meditation your sight becomes fixed on the mid of eyebrows, your tongue rises up for Khechari, breath stops altogether and mind plunges into the ocean of bliss, shambhavi mudrã operates and you experience the pleasure of savikalpa samãdhi, know that subtle power of Kundalini is in action.
When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences, and body, mind and prãna become overpowered by Her, know that the Goddess Kundalini is rightly functioning.
Arwen4CJ,
Yes, you are absolutely correct! This connection has been made by others for a while now. Here’s one article I’ve referenced in a previous post:
http://www.dharma-haven.org/oas/kundheal.htm
She actually states:
“Kundalini rising is sometimes a violent experience, radically changing one’s subtle energy field (making it much less subtle!) and consciousness and perception of energy. The experience can be (and often is in the West) mistaken for insanity (usually acute schizophrenia) or emotional or physical breakdown on a fairly large scale.”
There are all sorts of maladies which can come from a kundalini awakening. HOWEVER, this does not mean that if someone has an affliction such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) that kundalini is necessarily the cause.
Kundalini can be aroused by a Shaktipat touching a person in the ‘third eye’ area, by touching other places, and in some cases merely blowing on an individual. As the link also states it can be transfered by an object or letter (and even video as in the case of Bentley/Lakeland, I’m told).
I do not think that there is there any such thing as real thing such as kundalini energy. What Hindus think is kundalini energy is really demonic influence or power.
It just goes to show how pagan (demonic) spiritual practices produce demonic responses in people.
Satan seems to sort of be a chameleon, who will conform to what people except to see, based on their spiritual context, culture, etc. To the Hindus, his power comes in their religious context (they meet their Hindu gods, see Hindu spiritual visions, etc.). In hyper-charismatic churches, these spiritual experiences come in seeing angels, Jesus, meeting biblical characters, taking trips up to third heaven, etc.
These are the above things that especially stood out to me:
When you feel intoxicated without taking any drug, while walking your steps fall majestically or like one drunk and you are unable to do any other work and you like to remain mute and dislike speaking to or hearing others and you feel like one drunk of Divinity, know that your Atma Shakti Kundalini, the power of Self, has come into action.
When you are in meditation you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind, have divine smells, see divine figures, feel divine tastes, hear divine sounds and experience divine touch and receive instructions from Gods, then understand that the divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
When no sooner you have sat with eyes closed than in an instant the body begins to show activity of throwing out limbs forcibly, deformed sounds are loudly uttered, your speech begins to utter sounds like those of animals, birds and frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs, tigers, fear inspiring and not pleasing to hear, understand that the Great Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
Don’t Bob Jones and other hyper-charismatic leaders talk about smelling heavenly smells?
I agree that not all mental issues (and I would venture to say most) are not caused by kundalini….however, kundalini can cause these types of symptoms in people.
Wow –
These “Christians” unashamedly link the Holy Spirit with kundalini!
They think that God wants to use kundalini power in relating to us.
Here is one comment:
“You mention about the crushing sensation of God’s Love. We have mentioned on some other thread the ‘heavy’ presence of God. I think it’s called Kavod, right? It is so clearly not anything like kundalini.
It’s like a thick, weighty presence. That sense of having a waterfall pouring down around me, so heavy that I can’t stand up under it. I remember describing that on another thread, when I went up to recieve an impartation blessing from Bill Johnson. The heaviness of this Power was literally unbearable, blinding. I had to cover my face, my hands plastered desperately covering my eyes and whole face against this Love…I was crying and out of control with awe and repeating OMG, OMG, OMG! realizing I was not a fraction of the person I’d need to be to bear a fraction of His Love …yeah, the unbearable weight of Glory.”
http://shalomplace.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/25010765/m/68310806
As Luke Skywalker said, “Let the Force by with you.”
By the way, just where in Scripture are we instructed to receive an “impartation” such as this? That’s rhetorical, of course.
In the East, some Kundalini practitioners call the spirit behind Kundalini arousal the ‘Holy Spirit’.
Yeah — exactly — the whole idea of impartation is something that bothered me about some of the leadership in the church I left. They talked about impartation The whole idea of it seems unholy and irreverent to me, plus it is not mentioned in Scripture.
I have talked to people following Eastern religious ideas, and they have called the Holy Spirit chi energy.
But wow — Bill Johnson and his friends like to turn the Holy Spirit into a force or power — and at least some of his followers understand Him to be this way.
I knew this before, but reading these comments in this forum….wow. To be fair, not all of these comments are Johnson supporters. The above comment is actually the only one he is specifically mentioned in that I’ve found so far, but others have stated they are charismatic.
Arwen4CJ,
What do you think of the information in the article regarding the possibility that hyper-charismatics are imparting the ‘etheric’, or panentheistic realm?
Oh — I found another thread where in which some of the same people talk more about their experiences in hyper-charismatic land, their “kundalini” experiences. Too bad they don’t realize that it is actually demonic.
http://shalomplace.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/18910625/m/35310206?r=51410206#51410206
http://shalomplace.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/25010765/m/74310806?r=74310806#74310806
Craig,
Well, let me read over that part of your article again and give you a clear answer.
Okay.
Johnson’s quote here:
“…It’s my conviction that all ministry can be summed up…can be boiled down to one thing: All ministry is actually imparting the Person of the Spirit of Christ into the atmosphere, into a situation. It’s actually imparting [ED: Johnson here points to his mouth] the person. “Freely you have received, freely give.” What have you received? Him.154″
It depends on exactly what Johnson means here. Since he tends to be vague and not explain himself very well, so that he can sound “okay” to whomever is listening to him, interpreting his quotes can be difficult. Is he actually doing this on purpose? If he is, then he is definitely trying to bring occult understandings into the church. However, if he is simply not a very good communicator — teacher, writer, etc., and is simply sloppy with his writings because he doesn’t think theology matters much, then he might not actually mean what you are suggesting he means.
Since Johnson is never clear, I think we need to accept the possibilities of two possible interpretations.
1.) The interpretation you have suggested — that he is suggested that the Holy Spirit is a force that can be put into the atmosphere, in any situation — literally — He is in the air, from our mouths when we speak. (This seems to be the more likely meaning)
2.) That he is speaking metaphorically here — and it is simply welcoming the Holy Spirit into a given situation, to have His way. (Given the fact that Bill Johnson is word of faith, is so into miracles, and that some of his followers understand the Holy Spirit to be more of a force, then this understanding seems less likely.)
If by that quote, he means #1, then that is definitely an occult view. If we can just speak and make the Holy Spirit do something, or if we view the Holy Spirit as a force — then he is in very dangerous territory.
Although this viewpoint would be occult to the core, I’m not quite sure we can say that he is teaching the same thing as Alice Bailey suggested with the etheric realm as the panentheistic realm. It is valuable to note the correlation, and it is possible that Johnson does mean what she spoke about, but I think there is a gap. I’m not sure that we can easily bridge it to say that it is identical to what she was talking about.
I think that a person might be able to make a close correlation, but we need more bridges in order to do so. I think that may be why some people have been responding the way that they have with these articles. There are valid similarities, but sometimes I feel like the articles make a leap across a gap where a bridge is missing. Does that make sense?
Johnson’s quotes are disturbing and show that he is definitely not teaching Christian orthodoxy, they teach related concepts to Alice Bailey, but it is sometimes a stretch to say that they are teaching identical things.
For example — yes, there are clear panentheistic ideas in how the Holy Spirit is talked about, impartations, teachings, etc. The Bob Jones DNA teachings are certainly telling, and offer correlations, but they still remain correlations.
See, I don’t think Bill Johnson is quite teaching this:
“Bailey asserts that this inter-connectness of the panentheistic, etheric realm makes collective omniscience possible since “divine thought” permeates this realm.157 Through “concentration and meditation”, individuals become “inspired Thinkers” with the power to direct this energy thereby acquiring “the clue to ultimate world salvation”:158″
Perhaps a closer correlation might be made if we consider things like guided imagery, soaking, and contemplative prayer as being part of what Bill Johnson and his followers do as part of their spiritual life. Thus, when they come into a situation where they want to pray for someone, they are taking what they received from these practices with them when they go and “witness” for Christ.
I’m pretty sure that that is what Johnson means — witnessing — (his way of witnessing, which means demonstrating miracles and healing the sick, etc.)
You wrote:
“Going back to Johnson, “The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit”. And, “If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain”. So, in speaking the “rhema” Word (or through touch or the “prophetic act”), we release the “person of the Holy Spirit”, or, in other words of Johnson, we impart “the person of the Spirit of Christ into the atmosphere, into a situation”. This is the purpose of “all ministry” as per Johnson. In comparing to the Bailey concept above, it seems plausible that Johnson is releasing the ‘etheric realm’ into the atmosphere through the spoken “Word of God” via the omnipresence inherent in the ether.”
I think what Johnson means by “the realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit” has to do with the activity of the Holy Spirit in doing the miracles and other signs and wonders. I think he means that that is where God’s heart is, thus engaging in these things is living the supernatural life. I might be wrong, but that is how I would understand his quote, given what my exposure to the charismatic world has been. I don’t agree with that focus, but I think that is what he is trying to say.
As for the second quote:
“If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain”
This is pretty much what the pastor I talked about said when he talked about birthing something in the spirit realm. The pastor of the church I left was moving in this direction when he taught about birthing something in the spirit realm, telling us that if we prayed, we’d make something happen on earth.
It doesn’t go as far as Bailey went, in and of itself. Yes, Johnson is speaking about the Holy Spirit like He is a power or force, which is occult, but I don’t think he’s necessarily talking about activating divine sparks in people. Rather, it’s more like he’s saying we can control God by what we say. Like, if we “activate” something in the spirit realm by speaking in “prayer” (spirit realm meaning where God lives). However, maybe it does go beyond just controlling God to simply using a “force,” in Johnson’s understanding.
There’s still a bridge missing between Bailey and Johnson here.
Unless Johnson is totally given over to the demonic, which he might be, he appears to genuinely want to see God move on earth. From appearances, it seems as though he believes we have a link with God, and we can just command things and speak them into existence. Since I haven’t really been involved in a Word of Faith church, I might not have all understanding here, but I do know that the new pastors at each of the churches I spoke of had a mindset about wanting to see God move on earth in supernatural ways.
In the Vineyard, there was an understanding that the kingdom of God was God’s rule and reign. I don’t know if Johnson subscribes to this view about the kingdom or not, but there is a possibility that that is what is in view here when he talks about the King’s domain.
In the sound pastors that I knew, they held this view of the kingdom, but they didn’t make it their main focus. They believed that God could, if He wanted, transform lives in any given situation, including healing someone. The new pastors that were off also held this view, but they made it THE gospel instead of preaching about Jesus. If I had to guess, I would say that that’s probably what Johnson has in mind as well.
I never heard anyone talking about imparting Jesus into the atmosphere or any such thing, so that is a step way beyond what I’ve heard.
I’m just not convinced that Johnson is teaching Bailey’s concept of the etheric realm. Certainly, a correlation could be made between Bailey and the astral travel that some of the hyper-charismatics teach. I’m not sure whether Johnson teaches it or not. I know some of his buddies and followers teach on it, which means that Johnson condones it, we would need his view on it to directly correlate it with Bailey.
Thanks for thinking through and taking the time to comment. Please keep in mind that the part in question, “The Word Becoming Spirit” is predicated on the previous section “The Word Becoming Flesh”. In addition, we must take into account the previous parts of this article. Johnson has already made it clear that Christ = the anointing and that antichrist (spirit) = ‘anti-anointing’. This is, of course, after briefly defining both Christ and antichrist correctly and subsequently redefining them to the aforementioned. So, given the Christ means “the anointing”, this “anointing” is obviously central to his theology as his words bear out. That’s not to mention the fact of his duplicity in correctly defining then redefining the same terms:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-christ-anointing-and-the-antichrist-spirit/
This duplicity is also evident in the Liardon library acquisition and, as noted, in “The Word Becoming Flesh” in which he incorrectly exposits Jesus’ first temptation, subsequently does a 180 and (mostly) correctly exposits it, and then goes back to the first incorrect exposition. It looks like a pattern of deception to me; and, given this, one shouldn’t be surprised when he’s vague.
In addition, one should keep all this in mind when analyzing Johnson’s various statements about Jesus supposedly ‘laying aside divinity’, ‘emptying Himself of divinity’ while being “eternally God”. Who’s to say Johnson does not mean, like the kenoticist Ebrard of the 19th century, that Jesus’”divine properties, while retained, were possessed by the Theanthropos [ed: God-man] only in the time-form appropriate to a human mode of existence. The Logos, in assuming flesh, exchanged the form of God, that is, the eternal manner of being, for the form of man, that is, the temporal manner of being” [Chafer, Vol I, p 380]. In other words, Jesus is God eternally in the eternal realm while being man in the temporal realm. In taking all the quotes from part I, this could well be construed.
Given that Johnson uses Matthew 13 as a way to ‘explain’ his exposition that the first temptation is ‘questioning who Jesus was’, and that he explicitly speaks of “the sperma of God” (“the seed of God’s Word”) being released “into the seed” which is in the “soil” of the individual, Johnson is stating that Jesus Himself had the “sperma of God” released into His “seed into the soil” allowing Him to either hear the Father (via the “seed of God’s Word”) or listen to “other voices” such as Satan. This sure sounds like the “divine spark” concept using a “seed” rather than a “spark”, does it not?
Keep in mind the following words of Johnson:
…Jesus is the Word of God made flesh; but, every time He spoke, the Word of God became Spirit – Word made flesh; Word made Spirit…
The Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, it’s righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is IN the Holy Spirit. When words become Spirit, the realms of God’s dominion are released over humanity. When we say what the Father is saying then we literally impart Presence through speech…If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain. The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit.
Note the words “literally impart presence”. He’s not speaking metaphorically; he’s making that clear. You must also remember that “the anointing” = the ‘Holy Spirit’ (and vice versa) which is NOT the orthodox Christian version of the Holy Spirit as it’s a ‘force’ instead. It’s the occult concept of “as above, so below”.
Craig,
Even with the above details in mind, all we can really do is make a correlation with Alice Bailey. We have to “fill in the gaps” in order to make his teachings identical to hers. Is such a rendering possible? Yes. And I thank you for making this clearer.
However, unless Johnson actually makes the connection himself, by spelling out what he is saying, then we just have to be careful that we don’t say “this IS what Johnson teaches.” Since Johnson is rarely ever clear, we’ll simply be left with a correlation/speculation.
As I said, the metaphor interpretation is less likely.
I agree that Johnson has shown duplicity on a number of issues, and that deception is not a foreign concept for him.
He may very well subscribe to Alice Bailey’s understanding.
I know that he talks about the “Christ anointing” and has redefined Anti-Christ. I know that he lied about the library (or gave a false prophecy about it), and I know that he teaches that Jesus emptied Himself of His divinity. It is likely that he holds to some form of “Jesus is God eternally in the eternal realm while being man in the temporal realm.”
As to the sperma of God, the teaching is disgusting and sounds blasphemous. It COULD be the divine spark concept, but I’m not convinced that it is for sure. Either way, it is false teaching.
Now….
“…Jesus is the Word of God made flesh; but, every time He spoke, the Word of God became Spirit – Word made flesh; Word made Spirit…
The Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, it’s righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is IN the Holy Spirit. When words become Spirit, the realms of God’s dominion are released over humanity. When we say what the Father is saying then we literally impart Presence through speech…If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain. The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit.”
Again, this is false teaching on Johnson’s part. No question. However, it appears that he is talking about operating in signs and wonders by relying on the Holy Spirit. His concept of Word of God is heretical for sure. With a larger context of the above quote, it does seem like he might be subscribing to a panenthisitic view of the Holy Spirit.
However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s what he is talking about. He might be attempting to talk about keeping in step with the Holy Spirit (of course, by that he would mean doing signs and wonders and miracles). However, the next sentence, “When words become Spirit, the realms of God’s dominion are released over humanity,” makes that interpretation wrong.
I think you are right here….it seems like Johnson is actually holding to a panentheistic view. Wow. I didn’t notice the full quote when I made my initial reply to your question because I looked for the panetheistic part. I’d forgotten about that quote.
Arwen4CJ,
I will admit that this is VERY difficult to wrap one’s mind around. It takes me a LONG time to put these articles together as I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush as that’s just not right. In comparing Johnson’s thoughts to Bailey’s concept of the ‘etheric’ realm, I posited a possible explanation given that the concept is clearly not Biblical. Putting all the other things together thus far, I don’t think it’s just a wild guess but rather very plausible as I’m delighted you are now seeing.
I don’t believe we’ll see Johnson spelling out exactly what he means in the very near future; but, I he may well do it eventually.
I suggest you take a listen to the video/audio from which this section is taken. He very deftly makes his points. He seems to be particularly “on” in it. He’s quite good at what he does:
You can find the quoted portions by refering to the footnotes which provide times.
I will say that he’s also “on” in the “Jesus is our Model” audio referenced in “The Word Becoming Flesh” section.
As to the sperma of God, the teaching is disgusting and sounds blasphemous. It COULD be the divine spark concept, but I’m not convinced that it is for sure. Either way, it is false teaching.
I agree 100% that it is blasphemous and is most certainly false. Now, is it the “divine spark” concept? I think if you compare it closely to Bob Jones teaching on the “God sperm seed” it’ll become clearer as I note in my comment at 05/01 6:16pm. If nothing else, Jones’ is clearly heretical in claiming that all have a “spirit of God” at conception which “is as mature as it’ll ever be because this spirit came from God”; and, given that Johnson stated he’d “publicly rebuke” for “actual heresy” it’s alarming that he’d not only not rebuke the teaching but sell it at Bethel. Duplicity or agreement?
However, if you’re inclined to agree that Johnson may be subscribing to a panentheistic concept in “The Word Becoming Spirit” section, the “divine spark” concept goes right in line with it.
Craig,
I watched the video — here are my notes/reactions — these are the parts that stood out to me as being most false, along with the quotes you already pulled out:
open heavens — what in the world
prayer — primary categories, or realms of obtaining answering, getting breaktrhoughs, the ongoing source of joy
religion — form without power
empowering darkness by praying “wrong thing”
host the presence of God — change atmosphere
what you are aware of, you’re able to release
releasing presence into the earth
demand on what Jesus carried — presence anointing
Holy Spirit is the connection between Jesus and the Father
He talks about Jesus like He’s just a normal, everyday human being
He makes it sound like God told us that we are to heal people. God doesn’t heal people, we do, because of our will.
Peace is substance, air of heaven. Comes in the form of a person.
He thinks it’s wrong to pray, “I must decrease, You must increase.”
He says that our prayers must get interpreted once they get to heaven.
He doesn’t understand that since Jesus is God and promised the Holy Spirit, that His breathing on the disciples was in fulfillment of something He’d already promised. This is a one time thing.
Nothing happens unless there is a decree
When does Johnson believe people receive the Holy Spirit?
Whatever you are aware of you can impart
Craig,
Thanks. Yes — just as long as we are talking about correlation, and strength of those correlations with Alice Bailey, I’m fine.
It just sounded like from the articles that you were saying that Johnson’s teachings were definitely what Bailey was talking about. Now that I know that that isn’t the case, then I have no problem with the article
From the full context of the video, it seems like Johnson is trying to preach that the purpose of our Christian life is to walk into rooms and change the atmosphere of everything around us because we have the Holy Spirit living inside of us.
Oh….I do want to know when Johnson believes people receive the Holy Spirit. Because, if he believes that a person receives the Holy Spirit whenever a person is in the presence of a Christian, then I’d have a major issue with that. From this, it seems like he might be suggesting that. At the same time, though, maybe he is just saying that when a Christian walks into the room, the Holy Spirit will just make things better by changing the “atmosphere,” but not necessarily that the people around will receive Him.
On the other end of things, if he believes that everyone is already born with the Holy Spirit because of the sperma doctrine, then I would say that there is definitely a strong correlation with Bailey on this.
I’ll take a closer look at the reference you made to Bob Jones’ quote on the subject.
It is clear that the hyper-charismatic world is delving more and more into the occult. I think that this is helped along by the fact that they do all this soaking and contemplative prayer. They also are after power, and anything spiritual, and they are turning away from Scripture.
Since they are listening to the same demonic spirits that are prevalent across all false spiritual systems, there definitely will be more and more stronger correlations with things being taught in eastern spirituality and the New Age.
If Bill Johnson continues going in the direction that he’s going, eventually he probably will make more clear statements about his stance on issues.
Even if his teaching doesn’t exactly line up with Bailey, clearly some people who attend hyper-charismatic churches, including Bill Johnson’s, understand the Holy Spirit to be a force or part of the atmosphere…some sort of power.
Arwen4CJ, you wrote, “Since they are listening to the same demonic spirits that are prevalent across all false spiritual systems, there definitely will be more and more stronger correlations with things being taught in eastern spirituality and the New Age.”
BINGO!
Open Heavens (short promo for upcoming conference {now passed}):
http://vimeo.com/15808994
Arwen4CJ, you wrote, “On the other end of things, if he believes that everyone is already born with the Holy Spirit because of the sperma doctrine, then I would say that there is definitely a strong correlation with Bailey on this.”
Keep in mind the strong correlation between the “sperma” doctrine and “spiritual DNA”. With that in mind, check out Che Ahn’s teaching on “spiritual DNA” here:
…I no longer merely confess that I am the righteousness of Christ. I realize that with His DNA in me through His blood, I could be nothing else. I realize the attributes of His DNA reside in me—whether dormant or active.
No longer do I see the fruit of the Spirit as something we “will” by self-effort or following the law. Rather, I see that in my DNA, God has already placed genes of love, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. They are waiting to be activated by the Holy Spirit…
And, compare to this Johnson statement (truncated a bit):
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh; but, every time He spoke, the Word of God became Spirit – Word made flesh; Word made Spirit… Why is that important?
…Paul said this in Romans, that the Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, but it is righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is not meat or drink, it’s righteousness, peace and joy IN the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is IN the Holy Spirit. When words become Spirit, the realms of God’s dominion are released over humanity. When we say what the Father is saying then we literally impart Presence through speech…If we tap the heart of the Father and we speak, then something is released and it is the person of the Holy Spirit who Himself contains the realm of the King-dom – King’s domain. The realm of God is contained in the realm of the Spirit. When we say what the Father is saying, we change the options of every hearer…
Cosmic Humanisum (“spirituality” as Oprah calls it ) has clearly replaced secular Humanisum as the religion of the masses and BJ knows he’s a pointman for thousands if not millions (Jones claims billions!)… just think what it will look like when the “Contemplative (centering) Prayer” crowd ie… Rick Warren, Bill Hybel,Oprah, Beck, All the New Agers…catch up with these “assended masters” – what will it require of them to keep their elite uniqueness then, when every one is “empowered”… yesterdays gold dust and the like won’t cut it then… I wonder what will?
Tim Bain,
Once enough folks have ‘fully evolved’ then they believe we will have actually fully attained the “Age of Aquarius” in which all will have become homo universalis, universal man, having made the next evolutionary leap beyond mere homo sapiens. Those who refuse to evolve will be destroyed by ‘Joel’s Army’ – a doctrine common to both New Age and Latter Rain – or ‘banished to another plane of existence’.
Yeah — wow… Che Ahn’s comment is blasphemous. He claimed that he actually has Jesus’ DNA inside of him. And saying, “I realize the attributes of His DNA reside in me—whether dormant or active,” that’s just…wow.
I need to know whether or not they believe that this DNA magically becomes part of them once they accept Jesus, or if they think it happens when they receive the Holy Spirit, or if they think that everyone is born with it, and only Christians have it activated.
If it is either of the first two, then it is disturbing and false, but it would still be correlated to the New Age teaching — the modification would be that it would only apply to Christians. If it is the last, then yes, it is very closely related to what Bailey was saying.
So, Che Ahn no longer thinks the fruits of the Spirit are from the Holy Spirit, but rather that they are in his DNA. The Holy Spirit just activates them
Even though I think that Bill Johnson’s comment seems blasphemous, I still don’t see a direct connection between that and the DNA stuff. However, I can say that since he runs around in the same circles as Bob Jones and Che Ahn, he is condoning their teachings on the spiritual DNA. The only way I could see a direct connection is if he thinks that everyone is born with the Holy Spirit, or if he thinks that anyone who is in the presence of a Christian receives the Holy Spirit.
Arwen4CJ,
Recall these Johnson statements on “spiritual DNA” or “DNA”:
It is said that when a kernel of corn is planted, every kernel that grows has the exact same DNA as the original kernel in the ground. Jesus became the ultimate seed that was planted in death, and we were born again by the same Spirit that raised Him from the dead. Every born-again believer has the DNA of Christ. That is amazing!
Every ‘believer’ receives the “ultimate seed that was planted in death” and “every born-again believer has the DNA of Christ” – Is this the now activated “spiritual DNA”? Also:
When the Spirit of the resurrected Christ took up residence in our bodies, all of heaven positioned itself to see what we would conquer in His name. Resurrection power is in our nature, in our spiritual DNA. When we were born again, we received the same spiritual DNA as Jesus.
These comport well with the concept of having latent, inactivated DNA which, when activated become “spiritual DNA”. In addition, recall Johnson’s teaching on the ‘Christ title’:
…The outpouring of the Spirit comes to anoint the church with the same Christ anointing that rested upon Jesus in His ministry so that we might be imitators of Him.
So, we get the same “Christ anointing that rested upon Jesus”. When? At the ‘Baptism of the Holy Spirit:
…It was not sufficient that Jesus be sent from heaven to earth with a title [Christ]. He had to receive the anointing in an experience to accomplish what the Father desired.
The word anointing means “to smear.” The Holy Spirit is the oil of God that was smeared all over Jesus at His water baptism. The name Jesus Christ implies that Jesus is the One smeared with the Holy Spirit.
And:
The outpouring of the Spirit also needed to happen to Jesus for Him to be fully qualified. This was His quest. Receiving this anointing qualified Him to be called the Christ, which means “anointed one.” Without the experience there could be no title.
Without the ‘Baptism in the Holy Spirit’ Jesus could not have received the ‘title’ of Christ. He received this only because He received the “Christ anointing”. Could this “Christ anointing” be the point in which both Jesus and ‘believers’ activate their dormant DNA, i.e. receive their “spiritual DNA”?
On a different note, this portion of Johnson’s quote (which he’s stated many different times), “…we were born again by the same Spirit that raised Him from the dead…” has a number of problems when one looks at his different contexts. This goes along with his following statement:
…Jesus gave Himself to be crucified. He did not raise Himself from the dead…His job was to give His life to die. The Father raised Him by the Spirit…
As pointed out before, this has three problems: 1) Jesus DID, in fact, raised Himself from the dead [John 2:19-22/10:17-18]; 2) by Johnson’s phraseology, the Father only had a passive role in raising Jesus, contrary to Acts 2:24/5:30; and, 3) to make Atonement, all three Persons of the Trinity had to raise Jesus’ body from the dead. In addition, if we take the 2nd quote and add it to the 1st, we have to wonder just what ‘spirit’ raised Jesus from the dead according to Johnson. This is important as this affects all other related statements. I think it obvious that it’s “the anointing” Johnson refers to here, the WoF ‘force’ (and/or potentially Alice Bailey’s panentheistic ‘force’).
[Edited; added the following] Also, recall this one:
“the anointing is what linked Jesus, the man, to the divine enabling Him to destroy the works of the devil.”
Since “the anointing” is the vehicle linking “Jesus, the man, to the divine” it would seem this same “anointing” is what provides the ‘believer’s’ born again experience.
Craig,
Thanks again. I’m sorry that it’s taking me awhile to put all this together, and that you have to spell it out for me.
I guess it would be easier for me to see if Bill Johnson had said all of this in one sermon. The comparison with Bailey would be a lot easier. I think that when we pull quotes from different sermons, we need to be extra careful that we aren’t taking things out of context. That is the the challenge. I think you do a good job of this, but because they are from different sermons, I’m a little reluctant to form a theory about it.
Now, with that said — in the sermons that you have quoted in your most recent comments — let me think about this.
So — Johnson is teaching that “every born again believer has the DNA of Christ.”
The next question is — what does Johnson mean by DNA in the context that he is using it? Is it a metaphor for speaking about the believer’s spiritual state? Or is he talking about a literal change in DNA? And if literal, what does he mean here? What would the significance of having this DNA be?
Yes, he does believe that words change the atmosphere, and that they are Spirit. So, there could be a connection with his other sermon if he believes that Jesus is saying that the a person hears the gospel, and it is because of powerful words, or the Spirit’s presence spoken through words that a person gets their DNA changed.
This talk about the resurrected power of Jesus reminds me of the new pastor from the church in my graduate school town. I had to stay at grad school one of the year’s for Easter. His Easter sermon was all about living in the power of the resurrected Jesus. He claimed that most Christians don’t live like Jesus rose from the dead because they don’t heal people or perform signs and wonders
Since he was a fan of Johnson, Johnson could have influenced his view here.
Anyway…wow, it is disturbing to see how Johnson implies that the resurrection gives us power to do anything, “to conquer in His name.” With this quote, he does again affirm his view on spiritual DNA. “When we were born again, we received the same spiritual DNA as Jesus.”
That statement is a bit more disturbing than the first. This is because it puts us and Jesus on the same level, suggesting that Jesus possibly had to receive this spiritual DNA. At least that’s how I read the quote the first time I really looked at it. However, maybe that isn’t what Johnson is saying. Maybe he is saying the exact thing as the previous quote (which, of course, is still very off biblically.)
Whether or not Johnson believes we all have latent DNA that needs activating depends on whether he believes we are born with this DNA. Is it just activated? Or do we get totally new DNA? The answer to this question will determine how closely his teaching correlates with Bailey.
You are right to remind me of Johnson’s quote regarding the anointing teaching. His use of “Christ anointing” and not believing that Jesus was born the Messiah are heretical. It is also true that he teachings that we too can receive the Christ anointing by receiving the Holy Spirit.
You asked this question:
“Without the ‘Baptism in the Holy Spirit’ Jesus could not have received the ‘title’ of Christ. He received this only because He received the “Christ anointing”. Could this “Christ anointing” be the point in which both Jesus and ‘believers’ activate their dormant DNA, i.e. receive their “spiritual DNA”?”
My response to this:
That depends on who he thinks is a born again believer. I know different Christians have different answers to this question. The United Methodist pastor of the church I grew up in claims that a person becomes born again (and receives the Holy Spirit) when they get baptized with water. From recent discussions I’ve had with Christians in various denominations, this seems to be what some mainline denominations teach. I’ve talked to some Christians who claim that some people are born with the Holy Spirit. I personally believe that a person becomes born again, and receives the Holy Spirit, when they come to faith in Jesus Christ.
Then, there are some charismatics that teach that a person needs to have a “baptism in the Holy Spirit” that is separate from water baptism. Some teach that this is necessary to be born again. Others teach that a born again believer is one of the beliefs I just discussed in the preceding paragraph, but that a person can become more empowered by the Holy Spirit through a “baptism in the Holy Spirit” or a filling of the Holy Spirit.
So, where does Johnson stand on this?
At whatever point a person becomes born again, yes, Johnson seems to equate being born again with receiving the “Christ anointing.” It seems very probable that Johnson thinks that this is when a believer activates his or her dormant DNA.
Yes, Johnson is wrong when he claims that only the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. His denial of it being a triune act certainly opens the door for his teaching that we all can do anything with the power of the Holy Spirit.
Hmmm…with your additional quote:
“the anointing is what linked Jesus, the man, to the divine enabling Him to destroy the works of the devil.”
I think that this does really make the argument stronger — since Johnson uses the Holy Spirit as a force in practice and in speaking how he did in that sermon you linked me to earlier, but I see it as still somewhat of a stretch.
You wrote:
“Since “the anointing” is the vehicle linking “Jesus, the man, to the divine” it would seem this same “anointing” is what provides the ‘believer’s’ born again experience.”
That is definitely possible.
No apologies necessary as I can very much understand not seeing this the way I see it initially. I’ve been reviewing Johnson’s material for nearly two years; and, I have had a very difficult time piecing together his meanings of various doctrines. It wasn’t until the Jones “The Coming Kingdom” that I was able to see the whole “spiritual DNA” teachings more clearly. And, “The Word Becoming Flesh” section did not come together until I ‘happened’ upon an old reference I found to Johnson’s “sperma of God” comment just 3-4 weeks ago which led me back to the “Jesus is Our Model” audio from which is the ‘born again Jesus’ statement. Then, another individual sent me the video of “The Resting Place” around this same time which, after quite a bit of scratching my head as to his meaning in “The Word Becoming Spirit” section I ‘happened’ upon material I had already used of Bailey regarding the “etheric realm”.
The bottom line is that since it’s taken me so long to grasp Johnson’s material I can only imagine how long it takes an outsider.
While it’s certainly not prudent or fair to assume an individual believes the same as another even if similar phraseology is used, I do believe this short article indicates that the belief that an individual’s DNA literally changes at conversion is rampant in hyper-charismatic circles when compared to the quotes in Part IIIb:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/does-becoming-a-new-creature-in-christ-mean-new-dna/
Arwen4CJ,
You wrote, “You are right to remind me of Johnson’s quote regarding the anointing teaching. His use of “Christ anointing” and not believing that Jesus was born the Messiah are heretical. It is also true that he teachings that we too can receive the Christ anointing by receiving the Holy Spirit.”
For the benefit of both you and other readers, I wish to point out that there are others who do not agree with my analysis that, as per Johnson, Jesus was not “Christ” until “the anointing”. They point to other passages of Johnson, one of which I discuss in the following article in the “Johnson Contradicts His Kenosis by Affirming Jesus Christ’s Deity?” section:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/kenosis-christology-and-bill-johnson-part-ii/
Are we sure that Bill Johnson associates with Damon Thompson and agrees with what the guy talks about? I know that Dutch Sheets has spoken at The Ramp, and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Bill Johnson has as well.
Yes, it is clear that other hyper charismatics teach about changing DNA, but would Bill Johnson go this far? Maybe and maybe not.
Right — that is true — it is difficult to really get a finger on what Johnson actually teaches. Not everyone has agreed with your conclusions.
I didn’t mean to imply Johnson necessarily agrees with Damon Thompson. I merely meant it is certainly possible given that this belief is common in hyper-charismaticism.
My point in referring below to my previous article is that I answer this particular question re: ‘Jesus as Messiah not until Baptism’.
I wanted to add also to my comment re: Ebrard’s kenotic understanding of the person of Christ mentioned in my comment at 1:36pm on 05/04. I’ve been reviewing a bit of Charles Hodge’s systematic on the Person of Christ and he adds a bit more on Ebrard. He quotes Ebrard specifically in the original German; but, thankfully this is one of the few times Hodge translates to English:
…that Eternity and Time are not parallel lines
That is, they are separate and distinct from one another with no overlap. With this view in mind, Johnson’s Facebook statement on 3/21/2001 would be merely stating that Jesus was/is “eternally God” which “never changed” in the eternal realm, yet the incarnate Christ was not eternal and thereby strictly limited to the time/space restrictions of the temporal realms “as a man”.
“Jesus was (and is) God. Eternally God. That never changed. But he chose to live with self imposed restriction while living on earth in the flesh – as a man. In doing so He defeated sin, temptation, the powers of darkness as a man. We inherit His victory – it was for us. He never sinned!”
This is another point I made the Kenosis II article.
This in fact removes the contradiction in the statement on his book on healing:
“…Jesus emptied Himself of divinity and became man (see Philippians 2:7). While He is eternally God, He chose to live within the restrictions of a man who had no sin and was empowered by the Holy Spirit. In doing this, He provided a compelling model for us to follow.
Looking at the Johnson quote further, as I noted in Part II of this current series, Johnson seems to be equating the fact that Jesus “never sinned!” to the Atonement, i.e. that this was the “victory” which was/is “for us”. This would mean that we too can be sinless as he intimates in other material (again, as noted in part II).
This whole idea of open heavens trying to bring a manifestation of our promise to pass before its time is very disturbing to me. We are told to wait for a saviour from heaven. Here are just a couple of Scripture passages that tell us that we are saved by hope not be tearing open the heavens and possessing the kingdom through our own cultic ideas.
1 John 3:2 (King James Version)
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Romans 8 (King James Version)
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Carolyn,
Thanks for the Scripture reference. This whole ‘open heavens’ thing is part of Johnson’s ‘bringing heaven to earth’ ideology which has many parallels to New Age thought. “Open Heavens” are New Age “portals” in which we can, through our own efforts, “thin the veil” thereby creating these “portals” or “open heavens”. And, the whole ideology is predicated on Hermeticism: “as above, so below”.
Also, as per the above video…the resting place, the teaching about the dove resting on our shoulder…extra biblical teaching that sounds more like a demon resting on our shoulder. This teaching is far removed from actual Scripture:
2 Corinthians 1:22
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Again…we are a created being waiting for the promise. We don’t make the promise happen ahead of time, except at our own peril.
I was looking up the Confessing Movement of the UMC — this came up as a discussion with a friend at the church I grew up in.
Upon googling, I found this:
http://ucmpage.org/articles/cnoren.html
It discusses a UMC bishop who has changed the meaning of what it means to be Christian.
He writes this:
“on the third day he rose again.’ Sprague writes, “I believe in the resurrection of Jesus, but I cannot affirm that his resurrection involved the resuscitation of his physical body.” (42) “…the resurrected Jesus power or Christ Essence that infused the disciples and apostles, called the church into being…” (42) What seems missing from Sprague’s essay is any sense that the actual person Jesus was raised from the dead –or even that Jesus’ soul, if not body, is immortal. Instead, “Christ essence or resurrected Jesus power” is something that is gradually understood or experienced by people. For Sprague, resurrection is “a metaphorical, symbolic expression of truth itself.”
To me, this seems like this Bishop Sprague is talking about a very similar thing to what we’ve been saying about Johnson.
Craig,
Yes, I think you are right — Johnson seems to be suggesting that since Jesus never sinned, we can live just like Him — without sin. In fact, it’s my understanding that Johnson teaches that Christians don’t sin or something like that.
They do talk about portals in hyper-charismatic circles, as was seen in several of the Todd Bentley videos around the time of the “revival.” The concept in Bill Johnson’s church certainly seems to be in line with an occult view. He seems to teach that we can force God to act (or rather, by the power of the Holy Spirit we can make things happen) by creating these little open heavens over cities and situations. Yes, the as above, so below concept.
And Carolyn — yeah, the dove resiting on people’s shoulders was completely weird and taken out of context. He talked about doves being flighty things, as if the Holy Spirit is an actual bird, so we need to be careful of how we walk — we don’t want to scare the birdie away. It was absolutely ridiculous.
In this imaginative lecture, if I understand him, BJ is saying that we don’t get our joy from what the Word says because that is what we already possess…we get our joy from what we make happen by speaking forth this “Presence of Christ”, or by Christ consciousness. We make things happen…we create by force, by our words. In turn, we are “manifesting” sons of God bringing the Presence of Christ to life. Whoever walks in our shadow is walking in the shadow of Christ’s presence. That’s when things get exciting.
No, this is when things get dangerous…when we add things to the Word, to hype up Christ’s followers into a deluded thinking that “if we are experiencing the supernatural,
the signs and wonders…then who cares about holiness or doctrine…all is well…we are gods…we have the DNA of Christ, we have arrived, we have been transported into the 5th dimension of reality….
Todd Bentley on Sid Roth the other day…oh the presence of God is so heavy…I spend most of my time crying and repenting in the presence of God these days…kids that come to the school are just falling down in the presence of God, parents who come to pick them up are falling down and repenting….really??? repenting of what? They should be repenting of being ignorant of the Word of Truth, but they are too ignorant to know they are ignorant. Sid Roth said, Did you feel that? I just felt something, it must have been an angel coming into the room…the atmosphere just changed. And Todd agreed…he felt it too.
oooooooh…doesn’t it make you feel all tingly with excitement?
On the contrary…this is when things get exciting for us as believers…when we present Christ in all his wisdom and holiness
Colossians 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 3:13
To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Something to remember…is that Christ was begotten of the Father…not created. We are not in any sense in the same category as Christ. When the Holy Spirit empowers us…we are still created beings with a fallen nature.
Arwen…just read your comment on the dove…LOL…
Carolyn,
Perhaps Bentley has redefined repentance as shown here:
http://notunlikelee.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/learning-etymology-with-bill-johnson-a-new-age-repentance/
The “Word of Truth” would be the “rhema” Word which is found by ‘going inward’, “repenting”.
You just have to have the right dictionary to speak the hyper-charismatic lingo.
Arwen4CJ,
Here’s a direct Johnson quote from When Heaven Invades Earth as referenced in the Bill Johnson’s ‘Born Again’ Jesus, part II article:
“Many believe His power exists only to help us overcome sin. This understanding stops very short of the Father’s intent for us to become witnesses of another world. Doesn’t it seem strange that our whole Christian life should be focused on overcoming something that has already been defeated? Sin and its nature have been yanked out by its roots…”
“…Many in the church are camped on the wrong side of the Cross…I don’t need power to overcome something [sin] if I’m dead to it.” [p 110]
Carolyn,
Yeah, true about the joy stuff. There were so many issues with that sermon that it’s easy to skip over parts when discussing the issues. He certainly had a twisted view about joy and where it comes from. Since he’s ALL about the supernatural, then he claims that it is only by supernatural experiences that we are able to find real joy. He then said that those of us who do not look to supernatural experiences to get our joy have to rely on just the Bible, and he claimed that that led to religion, which then led to religion without power.
Therefore, if someone has an incredible spiritual experience that is from some other spiritual source, then that is superior to someone who stands by Scripture.
Yes, he did go on even more ridiculous tangents by talking about our shadows touching people, us leaking the Holy Spirit by just being there. His story about the New Age health food store where he didn’t even tell anyone about Jesus, but thought that if he concentrated on his Holy Spirit power, he could change the atmosphere so that anyone in the store that he comes into contact with (or his shadow) would change the other people’s options. Wow….changed lives with no gospel. Hmm…..perhaps it is a demonic spirit, Bill? You wonder why the New Age store owner could sense that the atmosphere changed when you walked in? Maybe because it was a familiar spirit or a spirit who cooperated/was in line with those who visited the store.