Does Becoming a New Creature in Christ Mean New DNA?
January 28, 2012 14 Comments
“…Not only did her DNA not match the crime scene, her DNA didn’t match her DNA.”
- Damon Thompson of The Ramp
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and switch on the TV. Last night while having yet another bit of insomnia I flipped through the channels landing at Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) finding Damon Thompson of The Ramp. I’ve heard him before and found him to be a bit ‘off’, but this time he said something that really woke me up. Not having pen and paper nearby, I wasn’t sure if I could write down exactly what he said; however, thankfully, someone has posted this very thing on YouTube so that I can post it here:
…not only did her DNA not match the crime scene, her DNA didn’t match her DNA. Six months earlier they had checked her DNA. Six months later they check her DNA and her DNA is not the same DNA because if any man be in Christ he is a new creature…
This raises all sorts of questions:
Should all believers expect impunity from crimes committed prior to conversion?
Does this mean that all ‘born again’ (born from above) believers have new DNA?
Should we check DNA of all inmates post-conversion and compare to DNA pre-conversion in order to set free all those whose DNA has changed? (This would sure make the Gospel very good news indeed and certainly lead to many more jailhouse conversions.)
Would a DNA change then be the sure marker of a true convert?
Should we believe Damon Thompson and his story? 
Oh, my…it just keeps getting ‘curiouser and curiouser’…I don’t know which is sadder…the ‘preacher’ or the cheering ‘congregation’…..
I’d have to use the old saying here: “I’m from Missouri. Prove it!!”
Greetings, A great question. I do know that the new birht is where we have a new father and since we have his life I guess we have his blood too…. which of course is how our body is changed from corruption to incorruption…. thanks for provoking thought and I shall look our for more of your blog posts.
Have a blessed day
Paul
Paul,
Thanks for your response. Please note that I was being a bit facetious in my post as I don’t believe we receive new DNA after we become new creatures in Christ [2 Cor 5:17].
All humans are made in God’s image whether converted or not, however it’s only upon conversion that God truly becomes our Father as we become His adopted sons (and daughters). I don’t see any Scripture to suggest that we receive new blood (a transfusion?) upon conversion. I also don’t see any Scriptural evidence that our earthly body is changed in any form or fashion upon conversion.
Our resurrection body will certainly be different from our current body [1 Cor 15: 42- 54], yet it’s not a flesh and blood body which is raised [1 Cor 15:50]. Therefore, I’m not so sure we will take our DNA with us at the resurrection. I’m inclined to say that Scripture supports that we do not since it would seem that DNA is part of our flesh.
Is he Dwight Thompson’s son?
What a creepy looking guy. Kind of looks like Charlie Manson. Wouldn’t want him teaching his false teaching to my kids!! Yikes!!!
Sally,
Sorry, I don’t know the answer to your question. Anyone else?
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Dwight Thompson from TBN days…
That is who I was referring to iwantthetruth. So I still wonder if he is related to him? And Sue, I came from the hippie generation and I think he is kinda cute!!!
Sooo….if I’m worried that I have backslidden or my relatives are right about me being turned over to a reprobate mind, could I prove the theory right by seeing if my DNA matches my pre-age of accountability DNA (which brings with it its OWN set of questions)….in which case they’d be correct because I went back to my OLD physiology? Conversely, if my post-salvation DNA matches my current DNA, have I just settled the age-old “eternal security” argument?
Good points!
Or maybe this is all somehow related to Devo’s tune Smart Patrol/Mr. DNA? (C’mon I KNOW you’ll get this zeemanb! ["He's here to spread some genes".])
Ah, interesting you have gotten around to the “Ramp” crew. I actually used to watch the “Ramp” prior to mr. bentley’s show. drawn to the worship cuts and they often had “inspiring” quotes. The program itself simply takes select quotes of various sermons and you never get full impression.
First red light was after watched “Jesus Camp” which had a reaction in spirit, that there was stuff not of God, going on some evil. I had posted on forum questions to the “ramp” kids at that time. Some responded that it wasn’t like it seemed, and the kids are given much more cautious direction, not pushed or manipulated. So backed off for a bit. I did learn at that time that the “Becky Johnson” of “Jesus Camp” fame was affilliated with Patricia King, didn’t know what the big deal was at that time. Then Mr. Bently’s show came along, God made me aware of several things.
Later, went back, after they closed the forum down once, cut off criticism or questioning of mr. bentley on my end. The “ramp” kids defending Mr. Bentley strongly, btw. At any rate, came back to new forum and one “ramp” kid at the time talked of how believed there would be time when many would have “special powers” including “levitation” and such. I think I started a conversation at Crosswalk and any where could about.
Please know that the “Ramp” is full feldged “Joel’s Army.” They have had a virtual whos’ who of that crowd speak including Dutch Sheets who been there many times, shaking and all. Once when had the program on and mother-in-law was in room, she stated, “Don’t like him, something is not right.” She has some discernment and all. Now while Damon Thompson speaks at most of Ramp, Karen Wheaton is really the one behind that whole program. Most “Ramp” kids participated in “the call” back at that time as well.
Over the years since Mr. Bentley, the have changed there tag line and even website multiple times. They no longer have a forum. Here is their current tag:
The Ramp
The Ramp is a place of awakening in Hamilton, Alabama, where hundreds gather each month from across the nation and world to pursue the real Jesus. We’re loud. We’re aggressive. We hope to jolt the complacent out of stupor and into the reality of God. Our mission is to awaken a generation out of spiritual death and religious complacency, calling them to their individual purpose and corporate responsibility as an offensive army imposing the kingdom of God. Although youth and young adults primarily attend, the Ramp is not just a youth thing; it’s a hunger thing. It’s an awakening thing – it’s for all those in need of an awakening whose desire is to then turn and awaken others.
Now, see here is the deal, everything is coached in deeper commitment to God. It is focus on ‘youth’ and doing big things, and getting folks to attend their ongoing “live events” They started a “Ministry school” in 2010 much like IHOP, Morningstar, and Bethel and have had connections with all the same if not mistaken. Now, they do give a brief outline of the course progression at Ramp:http://theramp.org/school/curriculum/. And much like the quotes from program and other promotions, have a inkling of sounding good and sound. But it is still twisted and distorted at core. If you watch the school intro video, you will see at one point highlight of talk “Spiritual contact with our Heavenly father.” In the shown slide is a reference to 1 Cor 14:14 and then one say God the Father being called the Father of spirits in Hebrews 12:9.
The have one student commenting whatever “level” you come in at, you will be “accelerated”. One leader makes a comment that “prayer is tought by example.” There is obligatory reference of “the fire of revival”
He used to have a facebook page but he had made some controversial statements in the past year so I think they shut that down.
FYI here is a link worth checking out: http://thispilgrimland.com/?p=418
peacebringer,
Thanks for your perspective on this. On checking around a bit prior to posting this I did see a Joel’s Army connection and some controversy regarding The Ramp’s promotion of Bentley. And, I’ve heard enough of the show previously to know it’s all about the “fire of revival”. Isn’t fire usually a sign of judgment in the Scriptures? (Yes, with the exception of trials by fire, or being refined in the fire, but this is not what’s being referred to.)